I like the idea of Rakell,
but that’s quite the overpay

I don’t wanna see Botts make that type of deal

I forgot to top10 protect the pick

Why is this an overpayment? Rakell is a great player with a very good contract, I would pull the trigger in this deal.

Take out the 1st, or
Take out the 2nd and 1 of the players

He’s not a star
That’s just too much

If Botts was willing to offer all that,
the deal would’ve been done long ago

Not a star? What difference does he make a star or not, if he immediately becomes one of our best forwards, while with a contract of 3.7 million, he is 26, is ideally matched by age to our young core, he can play in any position in the attack, if we we want to start winning, we must do similar deals.

The spirit of Tim Murray lives on with these proposed overpayments

Because how good he is dictates how much we should trade to get him

Are u serious???

The title of this “Botts gets desperate” says it all
Trading out of desperation will lead to bad moves
Hopefully Botts isn’t as impatient as the ppl on here putting together overpayments for good (NOT GREAT) players
Or even worse,
the ppl who are acquiring overrated players with big contracts
(Ryan Johansen, Duchene, Turris, and so on)

Lucky Botts does not get desperate. He came in with a plan and stuck to it . Murray's desperation to accelerate the rebuild set us back 5 years. It is being done right and some do not have the patience or the intelligence to see that.

I would still have easily made this deal, we do not even lose any of our best prospects or such a defender like Risto or Montour.

Congrats on your GMTM type overpay then
Idk what else to tell ya

Good post

This is not an overpayment, you simply underestimate Rakell. In this deal, we lose B prospect, the defender, who became a healthy scratch and in general we do not need, since we have Montour, Risto and Jokiharju on the right side and the first round, which is the most valuable in this deal.

No, u overrate Rakell
He’s not the type of player that get FOUR assets traded for him
If he didn’t have such a down year last year, then MAYBE
But even still,
He’s just not on the level of a player that gets all this back

Rakell is on pace for 22 goals this year, not 32
And last year he scored at a pace of 21 goals had he played a full season

You base what u give up for him on the most recent info
NOT stats from 3 & 4 years ago

You’re flat out wrong

Well, firstly, he does not play in the attacking team itself, secondly, his performance is still pretty good, his contract is one of the best in the league, he is a universal attack player. I think it’s pointless for you to prove something if you apparently didn’t even see his game, although I watched quite a few games with Rakell and was almost always impressed with his game, I think most people will say take and run with this deal. Most importantly, this deal will bring us very close to a competitive team. Eichel. Reinhart, Skinner, Rakell, Olofsson, Johansson, Mitts, Cozens, Thompson can be a very good attacking core. You can also take the second round of 22 years out of the deal, it is not really needed here.

I agree with almost everything u say about Rakell
But this is a payment for a 30 goal player,
and Rakell is a 20 goal player

I can’t put it more simply than that dude

He didn’t have the most outstanding last season, but this does not mean that he will remain the same player, before that he had two good seasons. I'm just curious that we are losing too much value except perhaps the first round, although even now we are 5 points from the playoff zone and have won the last two games if we are not going to fight for the playoffs this season and we will definitely be sellers in TDL then of course us do not have to make this deal.

I can’t believe we are still going over this

This season- on pace for 22goals
Last season- scored at a pace of 21 goals for a full year
The 2 seasons before that was when he scored over 30

So what should determine his value?
This year’s and last year’s stats
OR
3 & 4 years ago

And yes,
the major problem i have with this is the 1st round pick
Especially since getting Rakell doesn’t clinch us a playoff spot
So that could very well end up being a good pick,
even if we don’t win the lotto

Also,
Doesn’t address our primary concern of a 2C
And this deal even trades away a young Center

It’s just too much for him based on his MOST RECENT production from this year & last

At least the teams regularly give their first round for renting players who are worse than Rakell. It is debatable that he will not be able to help us get into the playoffs, the situation does not seem hopeless, although of course if you do not plan to get there then we do not need to make any deals at all as a buyer. Rakell can play in the center if necessary, but in addition to the center, we also lack wingers in the top 6.

Pretty sure Rakell hasn’t played much Center if at all for the Ducks

And to be clear...
it’s not that i don’t like him as a player
I just think you’re paying for his value according to 3&4 years ago, not this past year & a half

That’s all I’m saying
Just that the proposed trade gives up too much for a guy who should be seen as the 20goal scorer he is NOW,
Not the 30goal scorer he WAS

Sure, he could again become that 30goal guy
But I’m not gonna value him as that in a trade
I gotta value him according to what he’s done lately
That just makes more sense

And we should only be willing to part with our 1st for someone who is a definite difference maker
Although i do like Rakell,
I don’t think he’s in that category

We’d still just be a borderline playoff team with him

In something, I agree with you, but in what it is not. In general, I think we can well trade our first round if it is a deal for an elite 2C, guys like Hertl or Zibanejad would be the ideal 2C behind Jack and would help us make a big step towards the playoffs next season, of course, if in theory they would be available.