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The Leafs

Created by: spencer
Initial Creation Date: Feb 10, 2020
Published: Feb 10 at 1:34 pm
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Mikheyev, Ilya2$2,900,000
Engvall, Pierre2$1,750,000
Bracco, Jeremy1$925,000
Dermott, Travis2$2,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Spezza, Jason1$2,000,000
Engelland, Deryk1$1,000,000
Trades
TOR
  1. Dumba, Matt
MIN
  1. Kapanen, Kasperi
  2. Liljegren, Timothy
  3. 2022 2nd round pick (TOR)
Additional Details:
More than enough for Dumba! Kappy, our second best prospect and a second rounder.
TOR
  1. Rowney, Carter ($433,333 retained)
Additional Details:
Top 12 in hits, solid grinder.
ANA
  1. Petan, Nicolas
  2. 2020 4th round pick (VGK)
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TOR
TOR
TOR
CAR
COL
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
21$84,000,000$83,858,533$0$0$141,467
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$2,900,000
LW, RW
RFA
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,893,000
RW
UFA - 5
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,400,000
LW
UFA - 3
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 3
TOR
Bracco, Jeremy
$925,000
RW
RFA
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$1,750,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$2,000,000
C, RW
UFA
ANA
Rowney, Carter
$700,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
MIN
Dumba, Matt
$6,000,000
RD
UFA - 3
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
$894,167
LD
RFA - 2
TOR
Holl, Justin
$2,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Campbell, Jack
$1,650,000
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$2,500,000
LD
RFA
Engelland, Deryk
$1,000,000
RD
UFA
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Marincin, Martin
$700,000
LD
UFA - 1

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Feb 10 at 1:39
#1
Joined: Apr 2019
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Waiting for wild fans to say it's not enough (even tho it 100% is)
Feb 10 at 1:41
#2
Habs for 25
Joined: Feb 2017
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this doesn't make the team any better...Holl is not good, neither is Engelland
Feb 10 at 1:41
#3
Bcarlo25
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Quoting: CrossFireX33
Waiting for wild fans to say it's not enough (even tho it 100% is)


Oh don’t worry, there will be 30 fan bases that say this isn’t close to enough for dumba
Feb 10 at 1:47
#4
Joined: Aug 2019
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Quoting: BrandonMcD11
this doesn't make the team any better...Holl is not good, neither is Engelland


clearly havent watched holl this year
Feb 10 at 1:49
#5
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
Oh don’t worry, there will be 30 fan bases that say this isn’t close to enough for dumba


if thats the case he isnt worth it, would you have dumba in your top 25 dman in the nhl? probably not,
Feb 10 at 1:51
#6
Bcarlo25
Joined: May 2018
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Quoting: vr1995
if thats the case he isnt worth it, would you have dumba in your top 25 dman in the nhl? probably not,


Ya, I think I would. Certainly in the top 50, meaning he’s a legit top pair guy. Those guys don’t get moved for a middle six winger, an okay prospect, and a 2nd, especially when they have 3 years of term with a nice AAV
Feb 10 at 1:52
#7
Habs for 25
Joined: Feb 2017
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Quoting: vr1995
clearly havent watched holl this year


I can tell you hes not a top-4 dman
Feb 10 at 1:54
#8
Joined: Aug 2019
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Likes: 333
Quoting: Bcarlo25
Ya, I think I would. Certainly in the top 50, meaning he’s a legit top pair guy. Those guys don’t get moved for a middle six winger, an okay prospect, and a 2nd, especially when they have 3 years of term with a nice AAV


well top 50 and top 25 is a lot different, i get what ur saying., but the asking pricd seems to be base off his career year. liljegren is more than an ok prospect, if thats the case the urho is also "okay" maybe even a tad worse
Feb 10 at 1:55
#9
Joined: Aug 2019
Posts: 955
Likes: 333
Quoting: BrandonMcD11
I can tell you hes not a top-4 dman


yeah you havent watched, number 4, plays a solid, simple game, maybe you dont notice him alot out there which isnt a bad thing at all for a d
Feb 10 at 2:09
#10
Bcarlo25
Joined: May 2018
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Quoting: vr1995
well top 50 and top 25 is a lot different, i get what ur saying., but the asking pricd seems to be base off his career year. liljegren is more than an ok prospect, if thats the case the urho is also "okay" maybe even a tad worse


There’s a pretty big difference between developing in the AHL because you’re behind Krug, Chara, and Grzelcyk, and getting spot duty due to injury (he got called up last year, looked great, and then some dingbat on Ottawa elbowed him in the face and gave him a pretty bad concussion), and not being able to crack the lineup in an absolute trash bag blue line.
Feb 10 at 2:18
#11
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
There’s a pretty big difference between developing in the AHL because you’re behind Krug, Chara, and Grzelcyk, and getting spot duty due to injury (he got called up last year, looked great, and then some dingbat on Ottawa elbowed him in the face and gave him a pretty bad concussion), and not being able to crack the lineup in an absolute trash bag blue line.


pretty sure liljegren is higher than urho in a few prspect rankings, but you trump all
Feb 10 at 2:38
#12
Bcarlo25
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Quoting: vr1995
pretty sure liljegren is higher than urho in a few prspect rankings, but you trump all


Notice, I’m not trying to trade Vaak, kuhlman, and a 2nd for dumba.
Feb 10 at 2:56
#13
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
Notice, I’m not trying to trade Vaak, kuhlman, and a 2nd for dumba.


nor am I trying for the other one, and that trade is worse than the leafs one, kapanen>kuhlman, hes having an off year sure, but hes still better, so i dont really get what youre trying to get at here
Feb 10 at 3:51
#14
Bcarlo25
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Quoting: vr1995
nor am I trying for the other one, and that trade is worse than the leafs one, kapanen>kuhlman, hes having an off year sure, but hes still better, so i dont really get what youre trying to get at here


Well, i guess my overall point is taht this package isn’t close to what it would take to get dumba.

My smaller point is that i don’t think that liljigren is as high end a prospect as some in leaf land think he is. I think the evidence of that is how frequently you see leaf fans propose a trade with him and bracco and this and that. Two years ago it would have been unheard of. He was a future first pair D, maybe even a number one, and Bracco was a sure bet to be in the top six on his entry level deal. I’ve noticed a big time trend from ACGM teams generated by leaf fans (I’m not trying to say bruins fans are geniuses by the way, I think the majority are absolute morons): when they start to realize, maybe even subconsciously that a player isn’t that good, they start to be trade bait, but still somehow maintaining their high end value.
 
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