No don’t

LOL Leafs should take that (NSH too IMO)

What Leafs get:

-bunch of picks for the value
-3rd line winger
-borderline elite 1st pairing RD-man

What NSH gets:
-borderline elite winger
-number 4-5 LD-man
-potential number 4 d-man

Basically:

NJ's 2020 2nd rounder=Dermott
Jarnkrok + 2 other picks=Liljegren
Ellis=Nylander

Remove the picks and liljegren to start. From there its a question of moving a 24 year old for a 29 year old. Defensemen don't typically age well into their 30s, with a few exceptions of course. In terms of player calibre, absolutely worth it. Value? No way

A few you say?

Chara, Suter, Weber, Burns, Keith, Giordano and more

There are even guys like Goligoski, Edler, Hjalmarsson, Petry or even Stralman and Greene who are still serviceable d-men in their mid 30s

There are of course counter examples such as Vlasic and Seabrook but there are a ton of them who play well past 34-35... and Ellis plays a style that is (IMO) sustainable... he doesn't go all out on the offense, he's able to stay behind and defend very well

Yeah but do you want to trade Nylander for that risk? What if he turns out "serviceable" like goliogski while Nylander is dropping 30g/82pt+ seasons in the prime of his career? Won't seem like such a great trade. The deal will at absolute best be equal for Toronto, with not much upside. Tons of upside on the NSH side

Yeah I'd be willing to do that. Without any problem. There is a very good argument that could be made about Ellis being (partially) what makes Josi so amazing... Eillis is very underrated, like better than Muzzin and just slightly worse than Ekblad

I agree that he's amazing, but I think to just focus on that would be forgetting about the risk attached to it. I'd rather not run the risk of him declining into his 30s and keep Nylander who's locked up into his prime on a good contract. If ellis were a few years younger, different story

Nylander is already 24. He won't get much better than that. I wouldn't do the trade if Willy was, say, 22

even if he doesn't get better, he's entering his prime, ellis is on his way out of his. No thank you, I don't like the risk. I think there would be safer options if you wanted to move him

The average d-man gets out of his prime at like 33-34 not 30 lol

More Leafs RHD obsession So the Leafs trade TWO cost efficient Dmen....yep not at good as Ellis plus Nylander...How does this make the Leafs better?

Don't know if you've noticed, but Dermott can't play 22-23 minutes per game and look very good for those minutes... Ellis can. Easily. Borderline elite d-men (in this case Ellis) have more value than borderline elite forwards (in this case Nylander)


Leafs lose 30 goals in Nylander but get 15 in Jarnkrok, they get a d-man who will prevent more goals from going in, Robertson and Barabanov are in the mix, they'll be just fine

Sorry bud, you've fallen in the CapFriendly fantasy that the Leafs defencemen are so bad and that all other Dman are so much better than the Leafs players.
Nashville for all their highly paid and highly touted Dmen allowed 5 less goals than Leafs this season. My original statement holds true, more RHD fascination. What is this utter nonsense that Dermot would play 22 to 23 minutes a game? Gee Dermot has played the past two season with a Russian rookie and Ceci. Seems like Dermot would do OK with any partner.
And then to include Liljegren in the trade, who the Leafs are depending upon soon to be a long term Leaf. Makes no sense for Leafs who are have little NHL Dman depth to trade two Dmen for one.
Sure the Leafs get Ellis in the trade, but you have the unproven, one year additional Lehoten in the top six and Marincin as the 7th

I never said Dermott is awful, don’t put words in my mouth

And I know he isn’t bad, I love him and the step he took from last year was phenomenal, he just not able to handle heavy minutes like Ellis easily can


And lastly yeah he’d have to play over 20 minutes per game because the Leafs have no one capable of that besides Muzzin and Reilly

I'll disagree with the Leafs have no on capable beside Reilly and Muzzin. Holl was the best RHD the Leafs had last year.
Strange how all Nashville has supposedly all these premier Dman Eckblom, Josi and Ellis, and they GAA was barely to better than the Leafs, and their goal production was far below the Leaf.
OK, I understand the "on ice" value of the trade, I just don't understand how it makes the Leafs better next year and in the future because they have added a good RHD.
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