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Created by: Onslaught77
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 1, 2020
Published: Jul. 1, 2020
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$1,500,000
3$700,000
4$2,100,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$700,000
1$700,000
3$1,860,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. Mayfield, Scott
  2. 2020 4th round pick (NYI)
2.
CHI
  1. Dermott, Travis
  2. Johnsson, Andreas
  3. Sandin, Rasmus
  4. 2020 4th round pick (VGK)
  5. 2020 6th round pick (COL)
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2020
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2021
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
20$81,500,000$81,487,283$0$0$12,717

Roster

Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$2,250,000$2,250,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
UFA - 4
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$10,903,000$10,903,000
RW
UFA - 5
$1,860,000$1,860,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 5
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
UFA - 4
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 3
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$3,200,000$3,200,000
RW
UFA - 2
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$821,667$821,667
LW, RW
RFA - 4
$700,000$700,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$700,000$700,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$3,850,000$3,850,000
RD
UFA - 2
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 4
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$1,450,000$1,450,000
RD
UFA - 3
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$1,650,000$1,650,000
G
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3

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Jul. 3, 2020 at 10:08 a.m.
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Quoting: Onslaught77
@Warrior24 From eyes on Isles "In 39 games, Mikheyev has 23 points. That's a 48 point pace over a full season. His 2.44 points at 5on5 per 60 are better than every single Leafs forward who's played more than a handful of games including Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner, and John Tavares.

His Corsi-for and Fenwick-for are top five for the team. His shots-for, expected goals-for percentage, scoring chances-for, and high-danger chances for percentage are top ten for the Leafs."
But as I said it's an overpay the Leafs probably should find a better deal. The Islanders would be ripping off the Leafs.


A fan blog site is not a source, that’s like saying someone on here is your source.

Good luck in finding your deal.
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Jul. 3, 2020 at 4:14 p.m.
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That's an overpay the other way. The problem with people here is that they discount a players value to the team they are on. While other teams may not care that Kapanen has Leafs specific importance the Leafs do and the Leafs hold his contract. Agree or not a team would have to pay for that if they want him. While Sandin has a decent value he doesn't have value on the Leafs and they can't afford him. You suggest the Leafs should trade away a player who is vital to their depth for a player they can't use and that's frankly nonsense. Dermott is just not the player they need as well. People keep saying that he can play the right side but he's been almost passable on the right and he's really good on the Left. Again a player they just don't have room for. He's not a star D but he's a guy you want playing with those top 2 line guys.
The players the Leafs are going to want to trade are the players that don't fit right now. It doesn't hurt the team. Trading Kapanen would 100% hurt the team because on the Leafs in case of injury Kapanen can move up the Lineup replacing Nylander when he has to play centre or if he or Marner get hurt. Suggesting they throw a Dman they don't have a spot for in there to keep a player they can't use is laughable. The need Kapanen. That's why to get him would require an overpay and Dubas himself has said that.
Johnsson is good but he's salary they can't really afford. He's replaceable from a Leafs perspective.
I don't see Dermott on this team Next season. I don't see Sandin here either. LD players aren't as hard to find as right. You guys are adding value based on who you like. Who I like is irrelevant. Who the Leafs need is very relevant.
As far as who the Hawks need, it's a rebuild, they need everything. Older players will be coming out and newer players coming in and they are looking 2-3 seasons from now. It's cold but it's true. Picks and young players are key. Can you honestly say Either Dermott or Sandin is a Morgan Reilly? If not they just don't fit. I hated the Idea of trading Kadri and hate him all you want he's a fantastic player but he got traded because he was a tradable valuable asset that was a luxury. Both Dermott and Sandin are Luxuries and ones other teams need.


Whoa, you are making zero sense here as you are literally seeing this from one side only. Hawks don't need Dermott and not many teams are interested in Johnsson. There is a reason the Leafs don't need them and for that same reason, other teams won't either. Leafs aren't getting a top line or 2nd line solid RHD guy for Dermott or Johnsson or both together...just not happening.

You are sorely mistaken about the Hawks thinking they need everything. Hawks are way deeper then the Leafs on defense and especially with young prospects like Boqvist, Mitchell, Beaudin, Regula, Vlasic, Carlsson all are or will be NHL players. Hawks upfront have young guys like Cat, Kubalik, Strome, Dach, Nylander, Highmore, Kampf. I don't think you realize the Hawks this season were one of the younger teams in the league. So no, the Hawks don't need a $3.4M winger that was on pace for 15 goals, his advanced stats are terrible away from Matthews, and coming off of a season ending knee injury requiring surgery. And the Hawks don't need Dermott when they have Keith, De Haan, Maatta, Carlsson, Beaudin, Vlasic, Gilbert all on the left side already.

The problem with everything you said, is simply not understanding the other teams need (Hawks) and we are perfectly fine with keeping Murphy but if the Leafs want Murphy it will cost Kap or better period.
Jul. 4, 2020 at 12:11 a.m.
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@ChiHawk Dermott and Johnsson aren't bad players the Leafs have good players in the positions they play and while they are really good they don't have the Roster spots for them. Your Theory that all the Leafs are garbage but Kapanen and the team is going to have to give him up and the Blackhawks are one trade away from a cup is nonsense. Kane and Toews are both over 30 and by the time the hawks are contending again, Saad will be as well or at least 29.
https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/blackhawks/blackhawks-2019-20-midseason-grades-defensemen
Being defensively better than the Leafs is not an accomplishment and I'm a Leafs fan The Leafs are fine on the Left on D. That's the problem. Their issues are on the right and everyone knows it. Also, Johnson was put with Matthews because while he had issues adapting early (like every European ever) on he showed talent and skill when he figured it out. Playing with Matthews obviously has it's benefits but you don't stick a garbage player with a franchise line. But cheers. Have fun with your amazing incredible 24th in the NHL defence.
Jul. 4, 2020 at 3:05 p.m.
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@ChiHawk Dermott and Johnsson aren't bad players the Leafs have good players in the positions they play and while they are really good they don't have the Roster spots for them. Your Theory that all the Leafs are garbage but Kapanen and the team is going to have to give him up and the Blackhawks are one trade away from a cup is nonsense. Kane and Toews are both over 30 and by the time the hawks are contending again, Saad will be as well or at least 29.
https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/blackhawks/blackhawks-2019-20-midseason-grades-defensemen
Being defensively better than the Leafs is not an accomplishment and I'm a Leafs fan The Leafs are fine on the Left on D. That's the problem. Their issues are on the right and everyone knows it. Also, Johnson was put with Matthews because while he had issues adapting early (like every European ever) on he showed talent and skill when he figured it out. Playing with Matthews obviously has it's benefits but you don't stick a garbage player with a franchise line. But cheers. Have fun with your amazing incredible 24th in the NHL defence.


Johnsson is not a good player...he is average. Look at his advanced stats away from Matthews and they aren't even average, they are bad. He was on pace for only 15 goals prior to his injury and carrying a $3.4M cap hit. Now add into it the fact that he had a season ending knee injury that required surgery so not many teams are interesting in him especially for $3.4M. Let's face it, that's exactly why the Leafs want to move him because they need the cap space, but unfortunately, the return will not be good and because of that, they are probably better off moving someone with value like Kap to fill a more dire need and that is a right handed defeseman. Leafs need a top line or at least 2nd line RHD guy more then a 3rd line winger with speed and you have to give up to get. Bottom line, Hawks aren't taking Johnsson after that injury, poor advanced stats away from Matthews, and his $3.4M cap hit even if he's free.

Dermott is a decent player but his ceiling is 2nd line and he's definitely not there yet. Today he is a decent 3rd liner. Hawks have ZERO interest in defense unless it's a bonafide top line left handed guy. Again, the Hawks have Keith, Maatta, De Haan, Carlsson (22), Beaudin (20), Gilbert (23), Koekko (25), Vlasic (18) on the left side....Dermott has zero use for the Hawks. On the right, the Hawks have Mitchell (21), Boqvist (19), Regula (18) in addition to Murphy and Seabs. What is also clear is you have zero concept of the Hawks prospect depth and the fact that they are one of the youngest teams in the league right now. Strome (23), Debrincat (22) , Kubalik (24), Nylander (22), Dach (19), Kampf (25), Saad (27), Caggiula (26) but of course you point to Keith, Seabs, Toews, and Kane without realizing they are surrounding by young guys. Interesting fact also....Kane at 31 years old had more points (84) then 22 year old Matthews (80 points) and of course Marner (67), JT (60), and Nylander (59).....not bad for an old guy huh? smile

My theory, simple reading comprehensive and not you not being presumptive is, the Hawks aren't in the least interested in Johnsson and have zero need for Dermott and that is based on a substantial evidence as shown above. My theory also is, if the Leafs want Murphy, they will have to part with Kap or maybe Robertson...that's the reality. A first or 2nd line RHD is easily worth a 3rd line winger. Now as far as the rest of the leafs, offer a winger better then Kap or Robertson and I'm sure the Hawks are interested but then you get into Nylander territory and Leafs shouldn't move their core forwards obviously.

Not going to debate this anymore, you aren't getting Murphy for Sandin....1 for 1 and you know that but including Johnsson and Dermott to increase the value doesn't offer the Hawks additive value plain and simple.
 
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