Quoting: Onslaught77
@ChiHawk Dermott and Johnsson aren't bad players the Leafs have good players in the positions they play and while they are really good they don't have the Roster spots for them. Your Theory that all the Leafs are garbage but Kapanen and the team is going to have to give him up and the Blackhawks are one trade away from a cup is nonsense. Kane and Toews are both over 30 and by the time the hawks are contending again, Saad will be as well or at least 29.
https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/blackhawks/blackhawks-2019-20-midseason-grades-defensemen
Being defensively better than the Leafs is not an accomplishment and I'm a Leafs fan The Leafs are fine on the Left on D. That's the problem. Their issues are on the right and everyone knows it. Also, Johnson was put with Matthews because while he had issues adapting early (like every European ever) on he showed talent and skill when he figured it out. Playing with Matthews obviously has it's benefits but you don't stick a garbage player with a franchise line. But cheers. Have fun with your amazing incredible 24th in the NHL defence.
Johnsson is not a good player...he is average. Look at his advanced stats away from Matthews and they aren't even average, they are bad. He was on pace for only 15 goals prior to his injury and carrying a $3.4M cap hit. Now add into it the fact that he had a season ending knee injury that required surgery so not many teams are interesting in him especially for $3.4M. Let's face it, that's exactly why the Leafs want to move him because they need the cap space, but unfortunately, the return will not be good and because of that, they are probably better off moving someone with value like Kap to fill a more dire need and that is a right handed defeseman. Leafs need a top line or at least 2nd line RHD guy more then a 3rd line winger with speed and you have to give up to get. Bottom line, Hawks aren't taking Johnsson after that injury, poor advanced stats away from Matthews, and his $3.4M cap hit even if he's free.
Dermott is a decent player but his ceiling is 2nd line and he's definitely not there yet. Today he is a decent 3rd liner. Hawks have ZERO interest in defense unless it's a bonafide top line left handed guy. Again, the Hawks have Keith, Maatta, De Haan, Carlsson (22), Beaudin (20), Gilbert (23), Koekko (25), Vlasic (18) on the left side....Dermott has zero use for the Hawks. On the right, the Hawks have Mitchell (21), Boqvist (19), Regula (18) in addition to Murphy and Seabs. What is also clear is you have zero concept of the Hawks prospect depth and the fact that they are one of the youngest teams in the league right now. Strome (23), Debrincat (22) , Kubalik (24), Nylander (22), Dach (19), Kampf (25), Saad (27), Caggiula (26) but of course you point to Keith, Seabs, Toews, and Kane without realizing they are surrounding by young guys. Interesting fact also....Kane at 31 years old had more points (84) then 22 year old Matthews (80 points) and of course Marner (67), JT (60), and Nylander (59).....not bad for an old guy huh?
My theory, simple reading comprehensive and not you not being presumptive is, the Hawks aren't in the least interested in Johnsson and have zero need for Dermott and that is based on a substantial evidence as shown above. My theory also is, if the Leafs want Murphy, they will have to part with Kap or maybe Robertson...that's the reality. A first or 2nd line RHD is easily worth a 3rd line winger. Now as far as the rest of the leafs, offer a winger better then Kap or Robertson and I'm sure the Hawks are interested but then you get into Nylander territory and Leafs shouldn't move their core forwards obviously.
Not going to debate this anymore, you aren't getting Murphy for Sandin....1 for 1 and you know that but including Johnsson and Dermott to increase the value doesn't offer the Hawks additive value plain and simple.