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Created by: Robby
Team: 2020-21 Vancouver Canucks
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 5, 2020
Published: Jul. 8, 2020
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If Tanev doesn’t take a 1 year contract then maybe look at what’s else is available for 5mil or stetcher. Then if you can’t get rid of Benn, Sutter ,Baertschi ,beagle or Roussel for something reasonable then just paper wave them as depth players. Just submit a 20 man roster at the start of season to get under the cap. Those veterans would be pissed off but we get to keep everyone and we have extra depth for injuries.
What do you think?
Free Agent Signings
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1$1,500,000
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2$2,000,000
3$1,000,000
3$1,000,000
3$2,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
5$5,500,000
5$5,500,000
1$5,000,000
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1$1,700,000
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  1. Eriksson, Loui
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2020
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2021
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$81,500,000$81,001,878$1,700,000$3,700,000$498,122
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$5,250,000$5,250,000
C, LW, RW
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
C, LW
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
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$3,750,000$3,750,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$4,125,000$4,125,000
C
UFA - 3
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$5,875,000$5,875,000
RW
UFA - 2
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
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UFA - 3
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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RW, LW
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
RW, C
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$4,375,000$4,375,000
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M-NTC
UFA - 1
Overages, Cap
$1,700,000$1,700,000
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LD
UFA - 1
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
RD
UFA - 4
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$1,050,000$1,050,000
G
UFA - 1
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 1
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 4
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
LD
RFA
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$700,000$700,000
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UFA - 1
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Jul. 8, 2020 at 1:59 p.m.
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Finally, someone else who included the bonuses overages.

Eriksson doing anything to walk away from his contract is really optimistic and unrealistic. We'd probably move Sutter and then not sign one of the UFAs. I've been saying this for a long time, but I would rather keep Tanev/Markstrom over Toffoli easily and he should be the one that walks.
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Jul. 8, 2020 at 2:08 p.m.
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Finally, someone else who included the bonuses overages.

Eriksson doing anything to walk away from his contract is really optimistic and unrealistic. We'd probably move Sutter and then not sign one of the UFAs. I've been saying this for a long time, but I would rather keep Tanev/Markstrom over Toffoli easily and he should be the one that walks.


Agreed that Toffoli is likely gone. Signing Markstrom is likely priority #1, then #2 should be a Dman. If that’s Tanev on a one year deal that’s fine, but I don’t want the team to give him term on a contract; he’s past his prime.
Jul. 8, 2020 at 2:13 p.m.
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Quoting: alwaysnextyear
Agreed that Toffoli is likely gone. Signing Markstrom is likely priority #1, then #2 should be a Dman. If that’s Tanev on a one year deal that’s fine, but I don’t want the team to give him term on a contract; he’s past his prime.


That's fair on Tanev, but who do we replace him with? We have nobody in the system who can step into those minutes and its really tough to trade for someone who can. He's the best fit among the available UFAs given his established chemistry and there's really only one fall back option if he doesn't want to sign (DeMelo). We have depth/prospects at forward and goaltending to replace Toffoli and Markstrom down the line, but nobody for Tanev.
Jul. 8, 2020 at 2:57 p.m.
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Quoting: Canucks33
Finally, someone else who included the bonuses overages.

Eriksson doing anything to walk away from his contract is really optimistic and unrealistic. We'd probably move Sutter and then not sign one of the UFAs. I've been saying this for a long time, but I would rather keep Tanev/Markstrom over Toffoli easily and he should be the one that walks.

I think there’s no way he’s on the roster next year or even invited to training camp. You think him retiring and still get paid by the organization is worse then playing the next 2 years down in Utica? Because in Utica the Canucks still pay his salary but at least get 1075000 cap relief. That’d be the end of his nhl career. This could be a opportunity for the next chapter in his life.
Jul. 8, 2020 at 3:00 p.m.
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Quoting: alwaysnextyear
Agreed that Toffoli is likely gone. Signing Markstrom is likely priority #1, then #2 should be a Dman. If that’s Tanev on a one year deal that’s fine, but I don’t want the team to give him term on a contract; he’s past his prime.

Signing Markstrom and then Tanev to one maybe max 2 is priority #1 But I think Eriksson not even going to get a training camp invite next year
Jul. 8, 2020 at 3:09 p.m.
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Quoting: Robby
I think there’s no way he’s on the roster next year or even invited to training camp. You think him retiring and still get paid by the organization is worse then playing the next 2 years down in Utica? Because in Utica the Canucks still pay his salary but at least get 1075000 cap relief. That’d be the end of his nhl career. This could be a opportunity for the next chapter in his life.

Do you still get compensated when you voluntary retire and not LTIR the rest of your contract? That would be new to me. NHL scouts I’d wager don’t make 2.5M a year and this would probably be cap circumvention (I think I even used this exact scenario in an example a few days ago). Just did a quick google search, scouts make approximately 40-70k full time or 20k part time.
Jul. 8, 2020 at 3:12 p.m.
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And the beauty of this would be that in 2021 sutter, Baertschi, Benn and Spooners cap penalty come off the books. That’s almost 11mil.
Add to that Pearson probably being replaced hoglander ,Podkolzin and Lind up front. That’s almost 3mil more.
Then the only Dman signed would be Quinn and Myers you could remake your D.
I think Quinn and EP will have no options but to sign bridge deals which will be good for both sides.
Exciting times if played right but LE has to be gone
Jul. 8, 2020 at 3:13 p.m.
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Quoting: BStinson
Do you still get compensated when you voluntary retire and not LTIR the rest of your contract? That would be new to me. NHL scouts I’d wager don’t make 2.5M a year and this would probably be cap circumvention (I think I even used this exact scenario in an example a few days ago). Just did a quick google search, scouts make approximately 40-70k full time or 20k part time.

It’s the same thing Luongo did
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Do you still get compensated when you voluntary retire and not LTIR the rest of your contract? That would be new to me. NHL scouts I’d wager don’t make 2.5M a year and this would probably be cap circumvention (I think I even used this exact scenario in an example a few days ago). Just did a quick google search, scouts make approximately 40-70k full time or 20k part time.
Jul. 8, 2020 at 3:15 p.m.
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Quoting: Robby
It’s the same thing Luongo did


And no he wouldn’t get compensated for retiring but the organization can hire anyone the want at whatever pay
Jul. 8, 2020 at 3:37 p.m.
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Quoting: Robby
And no he wouldn’t get compensated for retiring but the organization can hire anyone the want at whatever pay

You have this in your trade description, “ Retires and hired back as scout in Sweden for remaining 5mil”. This would be literally compensated for retiring. Assuming I’m reading this and the description right the Vancouver FO would approach Eriksson about riding the bus or just retiring and collecting the same actual dollars owed to be a “scout” a few times a year. Sounds pretty fishy to me but it would be hard to prove this hand shake deal was in place to rid his cap hit for 2 years. I’m not sure if or how much without looking at the contract but there might be cap recapture penalties.
Jul. 8, 2020 at 4:02 p.m.
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You have this in your trade description, “ Retires and hired back as scout in Sweden for remaining 5mil”. This would be literally compensated for retiring. Assuming I’m reading this and the description right the Vancouver FO would approach Eriksson about riding the bus or just retiring and collecting the same actual dollars owed to be a “scout” a few times a year. Sounds pretty fishy to me but it would be hard to prove this hand shake deal was in place to rid his cap hit for 2 years. I’m not sure if or how much without looking at the contract but there might be cap recapture penalties.

Yes that’s exactly what I’m saying and he would be employed as something in the FO. It’s the same thing Luongo did for Florida, just a little less cash involved. About 1mil per for three years. If down the road there’s a penalty then so be it.
Jul. 8, 2020 at 4:11 p.m.
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Yes that’s exactly what I’m saying and he would be employed as something in the FO. It’s the same thing Luongo did for Florida, just a little less cash involved. About 1mil per for three years. If down the road there’s a penalty then so be it.


I can’t say for sure how the NHL would handle the handshake deal. I know you’d have to just bite the bullet on 2 years of 2M cap recapture.
Jul. 8, 2020 at 4:38 p.m.
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I can’t say for sure how the NHL would handle the handshake deal. I know you’d have to just bite the bullet on 2 years of 2M cap recapture.


I think it works for all sides. Canucks get out of the contract and LE still gets paid and the league didn’t say anything about Luongo doing it, so there’s a good chance they wouldn’t do anything about it now either. Considering the Canucks are getting screwed by the nhl for Luongos recapture penalty of 3yr times 3 it seems fair.
Jul. 8, 2020 at 5:14 p.m.
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I think it works for all sides. Canucks get out of the contract and LE still gets paid and the league didn’t say anything about Luongo doing it, so there’s a good chance they wouldn’t do anything about it now either. Considering the Canucks are getting screwed by the nhl for Luongos recapture penalty of 3yr times 3 it seems fair.

I wouldn’t say you’re being screwed by the NHL for signing a goalie to a front loaded 12 year contract with no intention of playing the last few years to lower the cap hit. He was 31 when that 12 year deal kicked in and I don’t think it’s even debatable the last few years at those salaries were intentional. Only team I think that could potentially get “screwed” is Nashville for not letting Weber walk with Philly’s OS. When you try to work around a cap limit then these rules can come back to bite you for receiving a competitive advantage in the early years.
Jul. 9, 2020 at 1:34 p.m.
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Yes I agree with you but it does seem the nhl is selective in who it punishes. It’s been very obvious of players going onto LTIR, look at Hossa’s situation. The Canucks are the only team to be penalized ever by the nhl. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with trying to manipulate the cap rules as best you can. They changed the rule after the contract was signed.
 
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