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BStinson

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Forum: Armchair-GM10 hours ago
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 9:11 am
Thread: Fitting Eichel Under The Cap
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bbpagewolf</b></div><div>Sabres have no leverage whatsoever anymore and quite frankly, the fact that they’re even getting 2 1sts for a player who has a 30% chance of never being able to play again is an overpayment on Drury’s part. Hajek is the only true “spare part” in this deal. Gauthier still has potential to be a solid top 6 power forward, Strome is a proven top 6 center, Georgiev is a goalie which Buffalo desperately needs, Robertson is a future top 4 defenseman, and you’re not saying no to 2 1sts and a 2nd. If this is the best offer that Buffalo can get, then they’re taking it at this point.</div></div>

30% chance, where did you pull that figure from? You do realize that a MMA fighter had this procedure correct?

Yes, all of those pieces are spare parts minus the first round draft picks one of which is 3 drafts away. In addition you want Buffalo to retain half for an extended duration. You honesty can’t defend this proposal as this “leverage” you have is speculation as NYR aren’t the only team bidding for his services.
Forum: Armchair-GMTue at 4:29 pm
Thread: Eichel to Ducks
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HOCKEYBOY448</b></div><div>I was honestly hoping that they’d be able to reconcile their differences and prevent a trade altogether, but I’m not sure that likely long term anymore.</div></div>
Yeah, I think Sabres have been a dumpster fire long enough. Completely understand Eichel’s side though too so hopefully Buffalo can extract some value out of him that aligns with their new core. Even as a fan of a rebuilding team (Detroit) I’d easily offer some assets to get Eichel with that neck injury risk. If they wanted young NHL players something like Zadina + Hronek or 2022 1st + prospect because the idea of having Eichel + Larkin like their NTDP is extremely enticing and should make them a more attractive FA destination.
Forum: Armchair-GMSun at 11:45 pm
Thread: Threesome
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BobbyD</b></div><div>Hickey and Komarov are not dead weight. Komarov is a good 3rd line winger or 4th line center/winger. Hickey is a 6th/7th defenseman that, in my opinion, could be the wings 2LHD, overtaking Staal in your depth chart.</div></div>
Hickey and Komarov are dead weight, Yzerman already added a forward after his press conference where he said he wasn’t adding to the blue line and adding one forward. Hickey has played a grand total of 5 nhl games the past two seasons, I wish him well based on what he’s going through but he’s dead weight to Detroit. If they’re useful to you then pawn them off on someone else. You still need to factor 7.5M cap in regards to taking a retained spot (one of which is going to Panik for 2 years) so we’d have one retain slot for two years. Let’s also look at deadcap, who is the most recent comp? Marleau, 6.25M AAV and 3.8M cash this is more than both (especially cash).


<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lancebmx</b></div><div>Probably could get more but it's not awful, gotta remember the depth of this draft, a first is worth more this year than last I feel</div></div>
Definitely could get more, without question.
Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 8:23 pm
Thread: This is what Bertuzzi would cost whether you like it or not
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TrueCanuck</b></div><div>Factors that Red Wings fans seem to forget about because it doesn't get them what they want:
1. Bertuzzi is coming off a major injury that required season ending surgery - teams will be weary of that and wonder if it'll affect his play
2. Bertuzzi is a high end middle 6 winger, not an elite 1st line winger. Teams don't drastically overpay for that.
3. The team acquiring Bertuzzi needs to sign him to a new contract so there's control uncertainty. Bertuzzi has all the leverage in talks right now being 1 year away from UFA with arbitration rights this off-season, teams would want a commitment before overpaying.
4. Detroit doesn't have much leverage. As mentioned, Bertuzzi is 1 year away from UFA with arb rights this year and he's had multiple contract disputes with Detroit in his career. It's clear that the team and the player don't agree on value and it's likely heading to a trade (things could change but right now it looks like that's the path). With only 1 year of control left, a Bertuzzi trade would be treated like a rental unless a long term commitment is in place. &amp; teams don't drastically overpay for player alike Bertuzzi that are rentals - it just doesn't happen.

Wings fans seem to overvalue Bertuzzi on here but don't look at affecting factors that will affect his value. I get it, you want the best return for your favourite team - everyone does. But in no way is Detroit getting an A level prospect like Robertson + 1st and 2nd round picks. That's more than what Vegas paid for Mark Stone WITH an extension. So get real here.

&amp; this is not coming from a Leafs fan, it's coming from an outside perspective. But Wings fans need to lessen the hype train on a Bertuzzi trade or they'll be highly disappointed.</div></div>
Here’s my rebuttal to each of your points.

1. Sure, teams would also have full access to his medical records. Yzerman, stated before the extension he isn’t shopping Bertuzzi so offering scraps doesn’t do anything towards Yzerman’s direction. He wants to be competitive (even as a rebuilder) and loves hustle + 2 way play which is Bertuzzi to a T.

2. What do you mean high-end middle 6 player. When I hear that I think average second liner and phenomal third liner. He’s 92 in scoring the 2 past seasons he was healthy on the worst offensive team in the league. One could argue opportunity but let’s factor in QOC + worst offensive team.

Source: http://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?reportType=season&amp;seasonFrom=20182019&amp;seasonTo=20192020&amp;gameType=2&amp;position=F&amp;filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&amp;sort=points,goals,assists&amp;page=1&amp;pageSize=50

3. Mute point, extension in place. Plus, teams are allowed to negotiate when acquiring rights, that’s common in the NHL we literally just saw with a star player (Jones). You also provided an example earlier of this being common with Stone.

4. What multiple contract disputes? One isn’t multiple. Again mute point with the extension and isn’t logical because see point 3. Detroit has leverage on other teams simply for demand. It was rumored 9 teams called about Bertuzzi at the TDL and after seeing what Hyman/Coleman just received and the ability for Detroit to retain or take back dumps only maximizes the value.

I don’t agree with OP’s proposal as they’re not the pieces I’d be interested in and I don’t think Toronto is a great trading partner with Detroit based on surplus. I also believe Bertuzzi will be traded between now and TDL assuming a respectable offer is presented.
Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 3:18 pm
Thread: DRW 21-22
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>who is playing victim? Im pointing out that this is something literally every fan base does to literally every other fan base and pretending this is some sort of one sided leafs fans Vs you is ridiculous. And if you dont see bad trades for the leafs posted by other fan bases then you're just not paying attention.
Wings fans do hilariously over rate him and im not going to do your homework for you to find those posts,. You are just as capable as i am for looking at other AGMs.</div></div>
You didn’t have to post in this thread you obviously felt singled out and victimized. It’s simple, ignore the thread and go on with your life unless you have something insightful to say. Your speculation is meaningless and it should be easy to provide a single source if it happens daily. It’s not me being lazy but rather calling out your poor speculation which you can’t support. You say Detroit overrates him but I’ve clearly outlined in post 2 of this ACGM why Leaf fans get pushback. There are a couple Detroit fans that post outlandish comments in response, mainly because this type of ACGM happens too often. Don’t like my reasoning, then provide a logical reason to post 2.
Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 3:04 pm
Thread: DRW 21-22
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>im saying that it's comical that you think that this is type of revenge post is
1-not over done to the point of parody and boring
2-not hypocritical as hell considering how much other fanbases try and rip each other off and offer 5th round picks for useful leafs players every day.

oh no, people post bad proposals, welcome to the internet.</div></div>
I have yet to see a single 5th round pick for useful Leafs, let alone daily. What I do see is pitiful multiple times daily Leaf ACGMs trying to get Bertuzzi for pennies and then when they get pushback they berate the player. It’s just like the Mantha to Montreal posts earlier in the season. When Leaf fans stop posting garbage towards other fan bases with such a high frequency then I’ll understand, hard to play victim right now. You yourself in this thread said Wing fans overrate him but didn’t give any examples. Could it be that he’s a top 6 gritty winger that competed night in and out that Yzerman isn’t shopping so why sell low? You can say well he just had back surgery but who are we kidding? These teams get the medical records in any negotiations.
Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 2:43 pm
Thread: DRW 21-22
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Nate</b></div><div>Giving Leafs fans a taste of their own medicine, I like it. I've yet to see one good Bertuzzi trade</div></div>
The main problem now is we’re just not great trading partners. Before the draft we needed a premiere LHD but added Edvinsson + Buium to Wallinder, McIsaac, Viro, etc. Now we need centers that project as top 6 or would slot easily over Veleno. I wouldn’t say we’re set on wingers with Zadina, Raymond, Berggren, etc. but we’d need someone more in that power forward mold to compliment the skill guys we currently have. So the needs don’t exactly align with Toronto’s prospects and Toronto should hold onto their ELC as they’re extra valuable with the current contracts they have in place.