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BStinson

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Forum: Armchair-GM15 hours ago
Thread: How much would he cost
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ragger_lord</b></div><div>I mean I would absolutely expect any pick from Det to be lottery protected.

Duchene was the closest comparable I could find (almost exact PPG and contract status) so I feel like it was pretty fair to compare them. The Duchene trade was viewed as a good trade without the benefit of hindsight as well.

Players like Horvat just don't get traded all that often. I guess others off the top of my head at RyJo for Jones, and the first ROR trade (31OA, Compher, Zadorov (who was highly touted at the time))</div></div>
You can come the players but the issue is the disingenuous framing of the return. Would you say it’s safe to expect a team that just went to game 7 of the conference finals the next year to have a top 5 pick? Or even label it a lottery pick? Then label a prospect one year removed from being selected in the second round as a top 4 defensemen? That’s taking out all the development from that point to current state and isn’t the norm. There isn’t a great comp for young top 4 RHD + lottery first rounder. The first one that comes to mind for a 2C would be Stepan but it had some other components in it. We can look at the Eichel trade and I’d wager most fans would say Hronek &gt;= Krebs and Detroit 1st &gt; VGK. If the discussion is Vancouver would only trade Horvat for an overpayment then sure we’re not going to have a fruitful discussion and that’s fine if you want to build around Horvat. I’m merely questioning the comp used in your determination as that’s what I use to determine the “value of X player”. That being said what would you say EP is valued at comparatively? If Horvat costs Hronek + 1st I’d be curious what the + would need to be.
Forum: Armchair-GM18 hours ago
Thread: How much would he cost
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ragger_lord</b></div><div>Closest comparable is Duchene (0.66ppg 2 years prior and including the trade season, 2 years left) who was moved for a top 4 D and lottery pick.

Horvat: 0.7ppg 2 years prior and trade season, 2 years left.</div></div>
That’s a bit of a stretch considering the pick was from Ottawa who imploded going from 98 points (losing conference finals game 7) to 67 points. The top 4 defensemen you’re referring too was a prospect that was drafted in the second round with one year more of development time. So I guess if we’re using hindsight and everything goes completely in Vancouver’s favor then sure. There’s a reason that lottery picks (knowingly) don’t get moved in the salary cap era &amp; why protections are on almost all of them now. So essentially using one of the most lopsided trades in the cap era that involved a ton of luck and development isn’t a great baseline for your opinion.
Forum: Armchair-GM20 hours ago
Thread: wheeler out
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>Yeah, I can see the Wings point of view. From the Jets point of view the step down in skill from Scheifele to Larkin is pretty large and then you have to factor in the extra year of contract. Calling Wheeler a cap dump is a bit of hyperbole, because he is still a decent overall player, that the Jets don't have a ready replacement for. He's just not an $8 mil player.

Team needs/direction wise, I agree that it doesn't make sense for Detroit to get older at this point.</div></div>
Wheeler is 35 and signed for 3 more years at 8.25M. It’s only going to get worse for him with his style of play. Sure he’s an NHL player currently but one can’t honestly say he’s worth that price tag or even close to it imo. To me that’s a cap dump as weren’t not talking about someone that live up to that contract and isn’t a fit for a team like Detroit or even current contender. We just aren’t great trading partners because obviously PLD is off limits.
Forum: Armchair-GM20 hours ago
Thread: Three trades I think Bruins should consider
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Roysboy72</b></div><div>I think a second is a decent return by itself, but you're right, it would probably cost more with full retention like this. I understand the concern for the fit, but I don't think being under 6' would keep Yzerman from taking Grzelcyk. He acquired Fabbri, Biega, and Stecher (all 5'10) as well as Pius Suter (5'9) just this offseason. While he may be drafting some big guys, he doesn't seem to have an issue with smaller players as long as they're actually good.</div></div>
He’s never had an issue with forward size. He also didn’t acquire Fabbri, that was a Holland trade for JDLR so not exactly material value. Stetcher and Biega are also depth defensemen and weigh more than 170-175 + aren’t 3.7M AAV.
Forum: Armchair-GM21 hours ago
Thread: Three trades I think Bruins should consider
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>bhavikp27</b></div><div>Exactly, not a good move for Boston.</div></div>
It’s not great value but I also don’t think it’s a great fit for Detroit. If you look at Yzerman’s drafting/trading/FA acquisitions can you name one defensemen his size that isn’t ADA?

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Roysboy72</b></div><div>I really like that trade for the Wings, the second round pick is a good return for Leddy and Grzelcyk could honestly fit in anywhere on the left side, at a good cap hit and term. Bruins might be getting shafted on value though.</div></div>
I’d say just getting a second for Leddy wouldn’t be a good return imo. We traded a second for him and then we’d be retaining here. I’d also point to the fit of Grzelcyk. A poster on HFB compiled all of the defensemen Yzerman has acquired and the list isn’t very long of sub 6’ guys.
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 11:41 a.m.
Thread: cherry picking righty
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aedoran</b></div><div>He was just saying that Rasmussen and a 2nd is worth more than Anderson.</div></div>
It just seems moot to bring that up with Detroit’s LD pipeline and obviously Montreal’s desire to retain Romanov. GMs are going to value Anderson as he’s a prototypical power forward and there aren’t many left in the game (maybe 10 league wide?). I wouldn’t mind adding him to our roster but I don’t value Rasmussen too highly.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aedoran</b></div><div>What about that Georgiev trade? He has 4.08 GAA and .858 SV%. I'd rather bring Howard out of retirement than give up any assets for Georgiev.</div></div>
Haha, I remember telling this to NYR fans last year.

SV% by year for him .918, .914, .910, .905, .858 (still early)
Forum: Armchair-GMMon. at 7:38 a.m.
Thread: Americas team
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>capsfan2121</b></div><div>We want a cup that’s what is most important. We need to win now. So I edited it. What do you think</div></div>
Looks better, is there a reason it’s a 2023 1st versus 2022?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Radu47</b></div><div>Eh Hendrix isn't really magic beans with how comfortable he just was in the NHL recently as well as his NHLe so far he's more of a bean plant or...

Whatever a better metaphor might be 😕

Anyhow it's a very nice return ultimately</div></div>
The trade was edited &amp; referenced before your post. It was initially a 2023 1st &amp; Iorio IIRC. That’s magic beans but I would also say non-blue chip prospects or prospects without a proven track record would classify as magic beans when talking about a proven top 6 winger. If we’re going to use NHLe then we can use all analytics and say the NHL probability of a 22nd overall selection isn’t a lock to make the NHL. We can also point to the sample size of NHL games. It’s just like Veleno who had a more impressive D+1 season (without the same injury history) but projects as a 3C.