Defense looks better. Pens should add DeMelo instead of TVR. They'd shore up the blue line issues instantly.

If they trade for Zadorov and sign Demelo theyd be set defensively

Yep

Carolina reject because Lehner is better and without having to give up bean costs fewer assets

Can confirm the Panthers don’t want nor need Hornquist.

you can keep saying that, but if Lehner has a good playoffs the price tag on him is going to be huge.
You'll end up looking like FL signing Bob. Where someone will over pay for him on a massive contract with term. He's already making 5 million. He might end up making 8 with term.
And he's already 30. Signing Murray might cost you Bean, but you don't have problems with defense and you do need a goalie upgrade. You have to give to get. It will either cost you a player or a lot of salary cap space.



Again, FL loses their top 2 RW in this situation. You look at the team without them and you will need help. It's not like FL is stacked with prospects to come in. They have Denisenko and that's about it.
Getting a guy who doesn't cost you assets to replace the guys you lose is in FL interest. Especially considering the RW market is pretty bare when you take out FL top 2 guys and there are several teams looking for help at RW.

Yeah I considered DeMelo but I wasn't sure what he'd make on his next contract and thought he might price himself out.

Sign Lehner for 5 years. At a flat cap, Bob isn't a comparable. He'll likely make around 7/8 which is more than affordable and we get to keep the most NHL ready D prospect in the world

Why would Lehner only want to sign for 5 years, and they will bid him up higher than 7/8.
There are multiple teams looking for goalie help this year and Lehner is probably the only guy on the FA market anyone is really looking at. Him and Holtby. But Holtby has struggled and his age is getting up there.
So you can sign a bad contract on an aging goalie or you can take a younger who, who comes cheaper and has a lot of good play left. And you put him behind a defense that doesn't have awful pairings like JJ and Schultz and you get a good situation.

Tippett & Noel? They will be fine but thanks for trying to dump his salary on the Cats

These trades are horrible

Noel has been playing center for you. And Tippett has yet to do anything. Given he's young. But come on he's spent almost all his time in the AHL.

This was Tippett’s first year in the AHL. The only reason he was there was to work on his defensive game. He’ll be on the team this coming year.

I suggest you look at guys like Jakub Markstrom. There's a deep goalie UFA class this year and Lehner won't make more than 7/8 with a flat cap, and no one will give him term more than 5 years at his age with the Bob contract looking like that. It's not comparable.

As for Murray, no. He played behind guys like Dumolin and Letang on a cup winning team and was never really more than an average goalie. He's just another Cam Ward. There's no reason for Carolina to trade the most NHL ready d prospect in the world for him

you have this imaginary world you are living in.
VAN has already said Markstrom isn't going anywhere. They intend to pay him.

It's not point in even discussing this with you. You are totally abject from all of reality.

I'm sure they intend to OFFER to pay him, but that by no means Markstrom won't walk away

This imaginary world your living in is kinda comedic, picking up Murray in this deep a goalie UFA class isn't going to happen, let alone for a top prospect

goalies take years to develop. You won't have one that starts for you next year in the draft.
Again you live in fantasy land.

Living in a fantasy land because I'd rather go for a goalie who's better for free than give up the most NHL ready D prospect in hockey for a meh goalie? If you say so kiddo

you way over value your own player and under value others.
It's a common syndrom on capfriendly.

Apparently you didn't learn anything from last year when the Canes were also in desperate need for a goalie. And look what you ended up with.
Back in the exact same position again. I know, you were going to get Bob, and so and so and so and so.......

It's ok really. Take your fantasy land inflated beliefs on.

In the real world you got 1 goalie on the market that will have multiple teams bid him up. And an aging Holtby who struggled behind a good team. Who is also gonna want paid.
So you go ahead and pay 8+ million for a goalie who is 30 with long term.

We ended up with a goalie who had a .914. We don’t need a goalie. This is a common syndrome on capfriendly. People refuse to look at stats and analyse players. People think Reiner is bad because of his reputation. Ignore the fact he had a great season in Carolina!

As for overvaluing bean, buddy shut up. Bean just won AHL d man of the year. You think you’re getting that for someone Rutherford basically confirmed they want to move on from? Get lost.

Rutherford never said he wanted to move on from Murray. You just make things up as you go. He said it will be hard to keep both. There is a huge difference.
But keep intentionally twisting it.

And you can Keep trying to talk up Reiner but for a guy who's so good he started. 25 games this year.
36 last year. Between injury and not being able to hold down the number 1 role it's clear CAR will be looking for a goalie.