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Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 3, 2022 at 12:24 a.m.
Thread: Character guys at deadline
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DDUB</b></div><div>Just wow. Whatever you say dude. Keep posting and getting your street cred. You are a fool to think any of this.

His 5v5 points are low because he has Heinen and ****ing Kapanen as his wingers. But Geno sucks.</div></div>

sure thing. And Chara was still a good player in BOS. DK was "playing great" last year, and Bergeron isn't slowing down.
FFS dude.
Stop being a homer. He's 35 years old. Anyone watching him play knows he's slowed down. The production shows that. A Geno when they were doing cup runs in his upper 20 could carry a line by himself. Now he needs line mates that can help. That's why like like HBK worked out. But now he's 35 and needs help. It's ok, players get old, happens to all of them. The fact he's still able to be productive at all at 35 is frankly a huge freaking win for the penguins. But you can stop with the acting like ANYONE is giving him 9 mil per with term. No one is.
The Hall contract is the start. 4x6. I will go up from there, but without a doubt that is the starting point. Because the last years of that contract, will probably be awful. Because guys at 39 are fill in help role players.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 3, 2022 at 12:18 a.m.
Thread: Trading Our First Has To Be Considered
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mv21227</b></div><div>So what is a young, top 6 winger who plays at a 65+ point pace worth to you? He is likely to sign for less than his QO on a long term deal and wants to stay, so there’s no reason for the Canucks to trade him unless it’s good value. Realize that in order to acquire good players in a trade you have to give up assets worthy of said player</div></div>

I don't know why people on here keep with these ideas of "likely to sign for less than his QO"
Because I'll call BS on that right now.
Name me one player who's done that.
DeBrusk has stated that because he want's out of BOS that bad and doesn't want his QO to get in the way. Even he knows that's holding teams back and he's not going to get that in FA.
But if BOS kept him, he'd demand it to hit the market.
The same is true with Boeser, he will demand his QO. You can count on that. So there is a reason for them to have him on the market, and frankly that is it.
No matter how you flip it, he's not worth 7.5
So you can keep on with that if you want, but that's not even remotely reasonable.
You are more than free to resign him at that rate. If you want. Make that bet. But most other teams are probably looking in the 5-6 range on him.
Furthermore, your insistence that it "has to be Marino" is just insane from the start. Teams, especially ones who are in the playoffs, aren't moving their top 4 Defense. How hard is that to realize?
Teams looking to ADD to win, aren't moving the pieces that have helped them WIN already.
That's why it's called ADDING.
You are more likely to get a hockey trade with maybe a pick or prospect. So a player they want to move out or swap for whatever reason. Like the PLD Laine trade last year.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 3, 2022 at 12:08 a.m.
Thread: Character guys at deadline
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DDUB</b></div><div>Dude what’s your problem? Do you even read entire posts? I said other teams could give him 9.

I said the Pens should offer around 7.5 over 4 years.

The entire point of the post is the dude above who posted 3yr for 6M. That’s lunacy to think the Pens would even offer such an amount to Geno.

9M from the Pens is 100% not going to work, and h elbows that. But 6M is a slap in the face.</div></div>

Other teams aren't giving him 9 either.
My god dude. He's 36 years old next season, wanting term. No one is signing him to anywhere near 9. Talk about lunacy. No one would do that.
As a matter of fact, 7.5 probably is a very high optimistic value.
It's not a matter of if the wheels come off but when and at 36.... it's any minute now. Everyone knows that. Including the penguins.
Fact is, the offer he gave up above is more in like with the Hall offer. 4x6. Which I have said on here is probably the starting point. It's not a slap in the face, he doesn't play defense, he doesn't win faceoffs, the PP struggles, and eventually his legs are going. Hell he has more points on the PP than he does even strength. That's a very telling sign.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 2, 2022 at 2:15 a.m.
Thread: Debrusk
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Snowball</b></div><div>Lol ok if you take “wants more opportunities” as hates Boston then ya sure

Didn’t say CHI was trading for him simply gave an example of a fitment I think could be beneficial for him

And can you name one team that’s going to qualify him at his QO next season?? Maybe ARI just cause they have that much cap space and so much roster space they’d take a gamble but that’s about it. He’s mentioning taking less then QO so he’s more appealing to a decent team. You think he wants to go to ARI or SEA? He wants to play top 6 minutes with top 6 guys not some hobbled together bottom feeder team that can barley string together 2 wins in a row</div></div>

yeah you're basically saying he and the coach aren't getting along.
If you take a guy who thinks he's top 6, and you say, sorry your not, were gonna bring in someone else, your down to the 3rd line. Well then of course it's not just about "opportunity"
spin it how you want, that's what's called a fallout.

Again AZ is rebuilding, they aren't giving up assets on him.
That makes 0 sense.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 1, 2022 at 10:58 p.m.
Thread: Debrusk
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Snowball</b></div><div>JD doesn’t hate BOS by any means,
Him and Butch don’t see eye to eye, which I get but Butch is you play what you deserve to play, names and contracts don’t matter (Usually) so when JD was down and struggling Butch kept moving him further down the lineup, limiting opportunities and healthy scratching him, JD got pissy about this and asked for a trade

JD only wants out of Boston cause he wants opportunity, behind Marsh and Hall he will never be a top 6 player ( which he is capable off all day long) he doesn’t get PP time in BOS (hardly ever until this week basically) JD is chasing a pay day that he thinks he deserves and is probably honestly capable of on other teams. That’s why he’s saying screw the QO, give me a year prove it deal on a decent top 6 and prepare to pay me, he’s willing to take a gamble on himself and honestly I’d be willing to bet he will thrive in a top 6 offensive team ( I really like a CHI idea for him, JD-Dach-Cat 2nd line would be a lot of fun to watch and a good opportunity for him)

With all this, it has absolutely no effect on BOS value, Butch will openly admit you get playing time based on production, and BOS biggest problem is log jamming young players with veteran signing’s not allowing up and comers ice time (A la Hall over JD last year and the unraveling of this whole situation)</div></div>

CHI isn't going to trade for him, I don't know how you can like that idea. It's not even possible. They are rebuilding.

Also, you basically said, he hates being in BOS without saying he hates being in BOS.
Honestly I doubt BOS would give him his QO, which is would demand, and the fact he's willing to take less of it elsewhere to get out is telling.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 1, 2022 at 3:12 a.m.
Thread: 2nd line C-man
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Chopper02</b></div><div>I dont think so. He's showing incredible growth in all parts of his game and even in the SHL he was showing how relentless he can be on both ends of the ice. He didn't always get results, but the team he was on wasn't very good. He's one of the better offensive prospects Boston has had in some time.</div></div>

dude a PPG average at the CHL is basically the prereq for even getting a shot at the AHL level.
Don't worry I get it, the BOS prospect pool sucks, so does the team I follow.
But I'm just tempering this idea out that somehow an average late 1st rounder is somehow un moveable.
There is only 1 way in which those guys become unmovable. And that is when you say, we are looking to the future and don't want to make a move.
In other words, I want to trade but not give anything up.
I don't think you get Hertl on a trade like that.
Having said that, like I said, I think it's an over pay on him. 1st, 1st prospect, and 2nd... is a lot to pay on a rental. I don't think it's in BOS best interst.
But it's not because the prospect is unmovable. He's an average producing prospect at this point, if they are looking to bring in a major piece, I'd say they would have him as an option..
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 28, 2022 at 5:29 p.m.
Thread: 2nd line C-man
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Chopper02</b></div><div>Bruins shouldn't trade Lysell for anyone other than a young NHL roster player (such as Chychrun) whom they would have control over. Makes no sense for them to trade him when their pipeline is almost empty.</div></div>

you are over rating a low 1st round pick who's only results are in the CHL.
His chance of being a player who even plays 300 games is roughly 40%.

Having said that, I think this is a lot to pay on a rental.
Hertl himself is a hard guy to figure out. He's gonna want 7 years that puts him to 35. Maybe 8 on same team.
I don't know I'd want to be roped into that. He's got a 5 year range I feel comfortable with on a new deal.
So that would be the first part of it. Otherwise just getting a rental isn't really helping BOS. If you are going to pay, get term otherwise you'll just be right back where you are next year.
Which is why teams don't pay an arm and a leg anymore for rentals