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Forum: NHL Signings6 hours ago
Thread: Pittsburgh Penguins signed Marcus Pettersson (5 Years / $4,025,175 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Random2152</b></div><div>*Ahem*
He IS roughly at his ceiling.
<img class="for_img" src="https://hockeygraphsdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/war-basic-chart.png?w=615" alt="war-basic-chart.png?w=615">



You do understand that being a shut down Dman has nothing to do with how long you've been in the league right?</div></div>

There are two charts on that at EW, and that is the winger chart not the defense man chart. The defenseman chart peaks at at 26-27 much later than the forwards do.

for the record I want to correct myself here. The defense men do peak earlier on his graphs. Not sure how accurate that is due to defensemen usually staying in the minors longer.
But I do think if you are going to use that chart you should really be using the other one down the page that shows the break down for Forwards and Defense men. It's really the best way to use that.
<a href="https://hockey-graphs.com/2017/03/23/a-new-look-at-aging-curves-for-nhl-skaters-part-1/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://hockey-graphs.com/2017/03/23/a-new-look-at-aging-curves-for-nhl-skaters-part-1/</a>
Forum: NHL Signings8 hours ago
Thread: Pittsburgh Penguins signed Marcus Pettersson (5 Years / $4,025,175 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Random2152</b></div><div>Damn dude, comparing him to another player is Leafs homerism all of a sudden?!? Christ we just have the holy trinity of idiots here don't we. Pharrow, Hockeyfanatic, and yourself.




You keep citing that he is in his second year as if that is that is a large sample size that proves him in anyway more than Holl. Toi means very little, role matters a ton. Holl is on our shut down pair playing top comp each night, Peterson is not. I will say it again, I like him as a defender, but he is a bottom 4 guy who can play on your second pair in a pinch and you paid him like a top 4 guy. That is an overpay.

And Holl IS on our shut down pair. That isn't an opinion, rather a fact. Citing that isn't being a homer lol.



1)True
2)Debatable
3)Justin Holl is our Shutdown Dman playing against McDavids. I very much doubt that Peterson has a bigger role.
4)Maybe, but I don't see it
5)No he didn't. He took his QA the same way Mango did last year to get a larger sample size and try for a bigger contract now. It was a calculated bet on himself, not a discount. It also has no relevance to this contract.



I actually agree with this. My contention is that they paid too much, even for a bet. Should have been 3-4@3 ish.</div></div>

It's the going rate man. Believe me it could have been much much worse. Look at Chabot who got 8 million.
It's not like he signed a deal like Carlo where Carlo is just trying to get to or as close to FA as he can. He signed past getting a UFA year.
Especially after taking this year at a discount. He should be making more than what he is right now. You look at what he got this year. If you think 3, ok, that's 2 million spread out over 5 years, it's 400k off. So he's at like 3.625 a year on that 5 year deal on basically a 6 year deal. It's a great deal.
Forum: Armchair-GM9 hours ago
Thread: Post Petterson Ext
hard to estimate Murray's number till after the end of the year. Now is the time of year he usually turns it on and his play really kicks up.

I do think McCann makes roughly 4 not 3.
I think that contract is the next in line. It would not surprise me if it's done this week.
They would be really wise in finishing deals before bringing anyone else in.

I do know that this idea they got 6 million to spend on a winger like Zucker is kind of hokey.
They have somewhere between 11-12 million to dish out raises.
you add McCann and Kahun that's roughly 5 I think.
You add a 3RD, that's 1-2
Jarry is another 2 added putting high roughly 3 million.
you are at 8-9
If Murray gets 5 that's 2 more or so.
you are at 10-11.
I don't see how they add a 5 million winger without someone leaving. like Jugs or Hornqvist.
And moving Jugs creates a hole at 3C so how much cap will it really save.
Forum: NHL Signings9 hours ago
Forum: NHL Signings9 hours ago
Thread: Pittsburgh Penguins signed Marcus Pettersson (5 Years / $4,025,175 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Random2152</b></div><div>Justin holl is a shut down dman playing top comp. His less experience is a tiny sample size and not a huge difference, 3 fewer mins if not a lot, and toi is a bad measure of dmen anyway. Usage is more important.

I'm saying Peterson should have signed a contract closer to holl the fact that they are different terms didn't help your point</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Random2152</b></div><div>Oh Jesus. Mr ignore everything if it goes against your point. They are very comparable players role wise. His age should have gotten him more, but not this much.</div></div>

they are not comparable. When Holl was 23 he was getting set to develop in the AHL for another 3 years.
MP is an NHL caliber player already, and still has room to grow and develop. He's simply has much greater potential.
You pay for that.
This is the right way to do a contract. You pay for a player while they are going through their peek years and turning into the best they are ever going to be. Instead of paying for players who are aging out which is what usually happens in FA as people pick up guys who are 27 and 28 and on the decline having peeked.
When you look at Holl, he's peeked. Period. What you see is what you get.
MP has not peeked as a player yet. They will get more out of him as he continues to grow as a player. It's a good deal.
Forum: Armchair-GM10 hours ago
Thread: If Sullivan and Rutherford realize Riikola is a lot better than Jack Johnson
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Chigurrhh</b></div><div>"Then you refuse to recognize all the shots coming from the outside leading to the scrum in the front of the net because the goalies are bad a puck control that leads to those shots."

1. There are more shots coming from everywhere when he's on the ice. This is what happens when one of your D is a possession black hole and can't get the puck out.

2. Your theory about goalies being bad a puck control doesn't hold any weight because it doesn't happen when Jack ins't on the ice.

4. Blaming everyone else for his inadequacies just makes your argument weaker.

3. You keep repeating this even though I've explained that it's really stupid.

4. I give up.</div></div>

There you go again. I mean really. Muzzin must suck as a defense man according to you, because you know. There is a red dot on his heat map.

It's just nonsense. Even his harsh critics in the media have broken down to the facts that he's not that bad. The trib caved, the blogs have caved. But you keep with it.
Frustrated that I won't join on your little hate spree.
I mean really. It is what it is.
And you have no real response because that's all it is.
Forum: Armchair-GM12 hours ago
Thread: Should the League Lower The Max Contract Length Limit
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Birtle34</b></div><div>Any thoughts on stealing from the nfl, and round drafted designate the money and years, and moving the age to 21, so first overall would be 5x3.2 million and work your way out of the first, and next couple rounds 4x1.0 million and then remaining 3x750000 or something along those lines. Ufa status after the contracts are up or buyouts. Or steal a little from baseball and have the team to have some leeway on the bonus money offered for draft slot.</div></div>

Why would the NHL do that. They are getting more and more guys to come in at younger ages. Which is good for the game.
Furthermore, the whole idea is to not make these guys FA sooner. That doesn't work. You bring a guy in for 3 years, the fan base loves him and he's a FA and gone. No one really wants that but the players, and even a lot of them don't want that. Because they don't want to keep fighting each other over the cap space.
The current system is fine as is. You become a FA at no later than 27.
If you start at 18, you become one at what 24.
That's fine. Most guys enter the AHL at 20, Spend a year or two there. That's 22, so they only really play 5 years as a rookie. There is nothing wrong with that.
After putting that much into a guy, his development etc why shouldn't they get 5 years out of them.