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Forum: Armchair-GM12 hours ago
Forum: Armchair-GM16 hours ago
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>This is so off it's not funny. If Chicago is rebuilding and in some crazy world Kane and Chicago agree to a trade, it STARTS with (2) 1st round picks and a A prospect. 110 point guys, on a crap team, don't grow on trees. You're asking for a top 10 player in the league and top 5 forward in the league who's going to continue to perform at a very high level for the duration of his contract. What you proposed here would be for a UFA rental of Kane.</div></div>

no what we are talking about is a guy who is going to be 32 in under 2 months. And to say he will perform good when he's 35 is nonsense. No one knows that and the odds of that being true are 50/50 at best.
Yes he's a good player, I stated that above. But I also listed a slew of other reasons that make it harder to get the return you are asking for.
As far as the 2 1st parts I agree, and I have included that in there. I don't know if you would get a truly A prospect for him on top of that. Simply because of the cap hit and the fact that he's going to playoff teams IF he were to go. Not many of the playoff teams really have the kind of prospect you are looking for. Those are usually on teams that are picking high not in the playoffs.
But limited pool of partners, with the cap hit, combined with the age does not make it the same as trading say a McDavid. It's just isn't.
Some people just don't want to admit that. It would be one thing is Chicago was in a cup window. Then the Reward to trade would never be worth it and an unrealistic expectation would be expected.
But there is no cup window here. If there is no cup window you have to ask yourself, at what point is it best for both the player and the franchise to move on it. Which is why they would do a rebuild.
Not that I'm saying they will choose that. I'm sure they feel like they can turn it around. But if you were to do that, and you're options were limited. I don't think you would find the return you think you are going to get. As I'm sure he'd want on a real contender and they probably aren't giving up what got them there. Most likely they don't have the prospect who is a top 5 pick or whatever.
Forum: Armchair-GM16 hours ago
Forum: Armchair-GM19 hours ago
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ClockReads2113</b></div><div>I don't care about other sports, they aren't hockey, the toughest sport to play. There's a reason only a couple players a draft play instantly in the NHL every year.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quote:</div>You act as if playing in slower leagues makes you magically play faster. It doesn't.
You have to be dropped into the game to adjust to it's speed. It's always been that way.
There is no substitute for doing actually playing at the level. None.

You keep arguing nonsense. But if they are closing out the window, the chances are high they bring in their best talent fast. Period!
They have no reason to hold it back. None. What are they going to do, wait forever till the windows closed and say oh look we have these talented pieces to play now but who aren't superstar level talent capable of actually making a difference on their own. What ignorant thinking.</div>

So your argument isn't that they are ready for the NHL, it's "well you have to play them in the NHL to get them up to speed"? That's how you ruin development. You just play young guy to play young guys because of a window. Poulin and Legare would get a lot more from playing in league they can actually learn instead of getting owned in the NHL.

As a Caps fan I REALLY hope you guys to play them to early and screw up their development, but I'm telling you know it isn't smart. Wait until they're ready.</div></div>

I hate to break it to you but the "development" you speak of is mostly physical.
Believe me I watched it in the NCAA. We didn't play 80 games a year to get playing experience to adjust to this magical difference in game speed. Matter of fact, there was very little speed difference between the highschool and NCAA.
On top of it we played what 34 games a year. WOW.
A whole year 34 games.
Really works on getting use to that game speed.
Honestly, please move on. I'm done with you.
Players don't make the jump because at 18 most players aren't 210lbs.
They need to fill out their frame, gain muscle and strength and avoid getting thrown around and back checked to the ground because they are skinny little kids.
You know, like the same reason they don't get drafted into the NFL.
There are players though who are mature physically and are ready to actually play at that level mentally. As in can actually handle being a freaking adult.
Forum: Armchair-GM19 hours ago
Forum: Armchair-GM19 hours ago
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RoyalBlueSabres</b></div><div>The thing is it's not a win win. Vesey has more value he plays better defense AND has more goals. Chucky might have more prestige and was ince involved in higher end deals but that only matters so much. He is not doing anything now, he is weak in his own zone and not scoring. Coach doesn't like him pushes him far down the line up. So tell me where the value is. why would we trade someone better in both zones and who has been on the team all year and has known chemistry. Maybe they aren't good trading partners but certainly makes no sense to trade vesey for chucky straight up. Pens dont want him. So Sabres would also trade someone they dont want. The trade would be excess pieces on the roster</div></div>

That's just it, Vesey too has slipped down the chart too. Last I saw he's playing on the 3rd line now. Not producing much.
It's clear you like Vesey better than Chucky. That's ok. I'm not going to knock that. But you have 2 struggling guys and there really isn't much of a difference as far as production here.
So you don't want to take a chance on a guy that may turn it around and give you more. OK, that's fine. But that's the whole point of the penguins making a trade. They don't need a bottom 6 forward. Nor do they need another RD. If they flip him it's either to dump cap and get a pick, or to swap struggling players.
You got to give to get. If you don't think Chucky can produce more than Vesey for you right now, the real question I have for you is, why the hell would you trade for him anyway?
Forum: Armchair-GM19 hours ago
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ClockReads2113</b></div><div>LOL dude you really think NHL speed of the game, not just physical speed, but processing the actual speed, is that same as it is in the QMJHL? Sorry, but you have no idea what you're talking about. AGAIN, give me examples of this. You've given me one out of thousands and thousands of players, and that player was a 3rd overall pick that had an amazing draft year.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quote:</div>The penguins are sitting on two guys who could most likely fill in a role now. But the reason they aren't there is more of a numbers game. If they didn't have numbers they wouldn't be there in the Q.</div>

There is absolutely no way Poulin, and especially Legare, would be able to stand the NHL right now. If you really think so you are blind. They won't be able to handle it next year, let alone right now.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quote:</div> So if they think these guys are going to help them win the cup and they don't have the numbers they would like, they WILL in deed move them over.
Believe me, playing with guys who are smaller, slower, and not as skilled as them, isn't exactly helping their development and not "preparing them for the speed of the game."
It's them basically tooling around down there waiting for their chance. This is a system that was designed for a time where athletes weren't training like they do now at 17 years old to make it to the pros. Times have changed. If you are both mentally and physically mature enough as a player is the real hold up.</div>

You're right! It is mentally AND physically. These kids aren't ready mentally. The QMJHL is a fraction of pro hockey. You can be as fast and physical as you want, but if you can't handle the actual mental speed of the pros, which they can't, you won't do jack in the NHL. Nothing is more important than IQ. If they were absolutely tearing up the QMJHL then maybe you'd have a case, but neither are, not even close.</div></div>

this is such nonsense.
there are 18 year old kids playing professionally in just about every sport.
You can look at high level college football that has 18 year old kids who adjust to the speed of the game. It's no different. They stick 18 year olds into playing high end college backetball and the only thing stopping them from going pro is the age limit.

It's every single sport. The thing that holds players back is they aren't developed physically. That's what holds people back in football, basketball, baseball, you name it. It's not the "speed of the game"
You act as if playing in slower leagues makes you magically play faster. It doesn't.
You have to be dropped into the game to adjust to it's speed. It's always been that way.
There is no substitute for doing actually playing at the level. None.
You keep arguing nonsense. But if they are closing out the window, the chances are high they bring in their best talent fast. Period!
They have no reason to hold it back. None. What are they going to do, wait forever till the windows closed and say oh look we have these talented pieces to play now but who aren't superstar level talent capable of actually making a difference on their own. What ignorant thinking.
Forum: Armchair-GM20 hours ago
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMTD</b></div><div><a href="/users/RoyalBlueSabres" target="_blank">@RoyalBlueSabres</a>
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I know Galchenyuk has been traded twice now, once for Domi and once for Kessel. That sounds like he has a lot of value to me or at least in Chayka and Rutherford opinions. But his value seems to have been tarnished in Pittsburgh.
So is he only worth a pocket of lint? Or can he be reclaimed? The answer lies in the middle IMO.
Over the last 5 years he and Reinhart have similar starts. Over that time Reinhart has 12 more goals, and about 20 more pts, about the difference this year alone.
As a Sabre’s fan I would want to give up as little as possible and trade shall we say extra players. Buffalo has 5 second pairing RHD, so I would want to send one of them. Buffalo also has at least 4 good possession bottom 6 forwards (Asplund, Girgensons, Larsson, and Okposo). Okposo is out because his salary is too high and he is too injury prone. Asplund is out because he cheap and IMO Betterall would not want to trade him. That leaves Girgensons and Larsson, either of them have more goals than Chucky.
So I am offering Bogosian and Larsson for Galchenyuk. I patiently await your ever constructive criticism.</div></div>

The penguins won't fill the contracts to 50/50 they have at least 1 possibly 2 players in the NCAA they want to sign and already have to figure out how to open that 2nd spot up.
I don't know why you wouldn't just do Vesey for him straight up. It's the most common sense move on both teams. Vesey takes up a bit of cap space and is doing basically nothing in BUF.
He like Chucky has a chance to turn it around on a different club.
The last thing the penguins need is another bottom 6 forward. They got more guys who can play that role than they can fit on the roster. Even with 4 forward injuries they are still fielding a decent team in the bottom 6. When those guys are healthy they have more forwards than they know what to do with.
As far as RHD. The penguins have 2 top RHD in Marino and Letang. They also have Schultz there. Why would they want to take on a heavy salary for a guy who would be 3rd pairing at best when the whole team is about to have cap issues. I mean hell they could be riding the bench behind all 3 of those guys.
That makes no sense. Honestly, you can probably move one of those defense man to WPG or TOR or DET. The penguins have about 4 million in bonus money looking like it might be due this year. I don't know that for sure yet, but it does look like it. They are basically pressed to the cap just as much as Buffalo. Kahun looks like he will get his bonus which I think is 20 goals. Marino will get his I think as well. That's the reason the penguins haven't put a single player on LTIR even though Sid, Jugs and Dumo are out 8 weeks and would all qualify. They are trying to keep the cap low for those bonus payments to not kick into next year.
The best trade here is Vesey for Chucky. Both teams win there. They take a gamble on a guy who no longer really fits. Vesey has a whopping 1 more goal than Chucky at 5v5 play but has played more games.
I don't see either player resigning with either team next year. It's a no brainer.
Forum: Armchair-GM20 hours ago
Thread: Pitts
Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 5:06 am
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ClockReads2113</b></div><div>It's not about size. It's about processing the speed of the game. The QMJHL is the weakest of the 3 junior leagues, it is NOWHERE near professional level in terms of speed. Poulin is not ready and won't be ready next year. Protas is better than Poulin and if he isn't ready, neither his Poulin. Sure they could play him early, wouldn't be smart though, it's how you ruin a players development.</div></div>

It is not about "processing the speed of the game"
that is a myth spoken by people who have never wore skates.
The difference at the NHL and lower levels is the size speed and skill of the player.
You are talking about guys who have the size and speed, and the skill to be there.
Any adjustment to the NHL speed in not something that takes years to over come. It's a shock no matter at what point you are dropped into it.
PLD got moved over because he was physically mature enough to make that jump and his speed of play was there.
The penguins are sitting on two guys who could most likely fill in a role now. But the reason they aren't there is more of a numbers game. If they didn't have numbers they wouldn't be there in the Q.
So if they think these guys are going to help them win the cup and they don't have the numbers they would like, they WILL in deed move them over.
Believe me, playing with guys who are smaller, slower, and not as skilled as them, isn't exactly helping their development and not "preparing them for the speed of the game."
It's them basically tooling around down there waiting for their chance. This is a system that was designed for a time where athletes weren't training like they do now at 17 years old to make it to the pros.
Times have changed. If you are both mentally and physically mature enough as a player is the real hold up.
Forum: Armchair-GMFri at 6:40 pm
Forum: Armchair-GMFri at 5:42 pm
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ClockReads2113</b></div><div>Still doubt it. Will have to give me some examples of a player jumping from the QMJHL to the NHL so quickly. Hell we had Protas put up 3 points in 2 preseason game and he plays in a harder league (WHL- which he was leading the league b/f WJC D1 tournament) but I know he isn't ready for the NHL this season or next. Extremely rare kids take the jump so quickly unless, like I said, they are elite.</div></div>

People take time to develop because they haven't matured. These guys are grown. Protas is 6'6 and weighed 210lbs. I'm sorry but that's thin for a guy that tall.
He should be 230 at least at that weight. So it's not surprising. To give you an idea Pavlychev for the penguins is 6'7 225lb, and still has room to grow. So I wouldn't be shocked that guy isn't ready. He's got 20lbs of mass to gain yet.
We aren't talking about guys here who have to grow into it. You are talking about guys who are dominating at their level. Poulin is putting up 1.5 pts per game. That's a really solid clip. To put it in perspective PLD for CBJ was putting up 1.15ppg his last year in the q and he made the jump at 19.
So lets not BS about what ready is. By 19 they have the skating skills, and the shooting skills. It's the physical maturity to fight for the puck that is usually holding guys back.
You have a closing window, and a team looking to finish out strong. If they think they can slide these guys in to the benefit of the team. They will, without a doubt.
They don't have to worry about the rest. It will figure itself out.
Forum: Armchair-GMFri at 3:41 pm
Forum: Armchair-GMFri at 12:21 pm