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After MTL trade at TDL

Created by: Peterman
Team: 2017-18 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 15, 2016
Published: Sep. 15, 2016
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16-17 TDL dealing away Landy and Facebook.
Free Agent Signings
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5$4,500,000
1$2,000,000
2$1,500,000
2$1,500,000
2$800,000
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5$5,000,000
2$1,500,000
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    23$73,000,000$65,199,042$0$925,000$7,800,958
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    RW, LW
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    C, RW
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    Sep. 15, 2016 at 11:46 a.m.
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    Why would the Avs leave Pickard unprotected? If he is an NHLer, protect Pickard. Doubt if Varlamov and his contract would be claimed by the Vegans. If he is, more cap space for Avs.
    Sep. 15, 2016 at 12:14 p.m.
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    I like it peterman! The second rounder is a bit rich though. We're technically doing you a favor by taking FB's NMC. I'd be willing to add a 5th or 6th draft pick or a lower tier prospect but the 2nd rounder is a bit much considering we're giving you equal value back already. There's an argument to be said that Patches is better than Landeskog. Beauchemin is more expensive, Older and has a restricting NMC which is deadly in the expansion draft. Not too mention he signed a 35+ contract. I think if you want this trade to work its got to be the two players for the two players straight up. I'd willing to add a sweetener as mentioned above just to get'er done but definitely not a 2nd rounder.
    Sep. 15, 2016 at 12:36 p.m.
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    I like it peterman! The second rounder is a bit rich though. We're technically doing you a favor by taking FB's NMC. I'd be willing to add a 5th or 6th draft pick or a lower tier prospect but the 2nd rounder is a bit much considering we're giving you equal value back already. There's an argument to be said that Patches is better than Landeskog. Beauchemin is more expensive, Older and has a restricting NMC which is deadly in the expansion draft. Not too mention he signed a 35+ contract. I think if you want this trade to work its got to be the two players for the two players straight up. I'd willing to add a sweetener as mentioned above just to get'er done but definitely not a 2nd rounder.


    The NMC goes away once waived for a trade or demotion. The more I look at contending teams, MTL makes the most sense as they have some turbulence right now and can absorb an extra year of FB, especially if Markov moves on.
    Sep. 15, 2016 at 12:40 p.m.
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    Quoting: palhal
    Why would the Avs leave Pickard unprotected? If he is an NHLer, protect Pickard. Doubt if Varlamov and his contract would be claimed by the Vegans. If he is, more cap space for Avs.


    It's a tough call. But for this roster, I went conservative and left Varlamov's big cap hit to limit UFA options. He's the known commodity and could very well have a bounce back season with a new coach
    Sep. 15, 2016 at 1:20 p.m.
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    Quoting: Peterman
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    I like it peterman! The second rounder is a bit rich though. We're technically doing you a favor by taking FB's NMC. I'd be willing to add a 5th or 6th draft pick or a lower tier prospect but the 2nd rounder is a bit much considering we're giving you equal value back already. There's an argument to be said that Patches is better than Landeskog. Beauchemin is more expensive, Older and has a restricting NMC which is deadly in the expansion draft. Not too mention he signed a 35+ contract. I think if you want this trade to work its got to be the two players for the two players straight up. I'd willing to add a sweetener as mentioned above just to get'er done but definitely not a 2nd rounder.


    The NMC goes away once waived for a trade or demotion. The more I look at contending teams, MTL makes the most sense as they have some turbulence right now and can absorb an extra year of FB, especially if Markov moves on.


    The NMC goes away? Is there some source for that. I was under the impression a player can waive his NMC to be traded but once he is traded he still can keep his NMC with his new team. I know I heard that Subban's NMC was removed when he was traded to Nashville but that was only because the trade happened before the NMC went into affect. Simply being traded doesn't negate a player's NMC I dont think? It just means the players was able to dictate if he wanted the trade to happen or not.
    Sep. 15, 2016 at 1:42 p.m.
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    Quoting: F50marco
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    I like it peterman! The second rounder is a bit rich though. We're technically doing you a favor by taking FB's NMC. I'd be willing to add a 5th or 6th draft pick or a lower tier prospect but the 2nd rounder is a bit much considering we're giving you equal value back already. There's an argument to be said that Patches is better than Landeskog. Beauchemin is more expensive, Older and has a restricting NMC which is deadly in the expansion draft. Not too mention he signed a 35+ contract. I think if you want this trade to work its got to be the two players for the two players straight up. I'd willing to add a sweetener as mentioned above just to get'er done but definitely not a 2nd rounder.


    The NMC goes away once waived for a trade or demotion. The more I look at contending teams, MTL makes the most sense as they have some turbulence right now and can absorb an extra year of FB, especially if Markov moves on.


    The NMC goes away? Is there some source for that. I was under the impression a player can waive his NMC to be traded but once he is traded he still can keep his NMC with his new team. I know I heard that Subban's NMC was removed when he was traded to Nashville but that was only because the trade happened before the NMC went into affect. Simply being traded doesn't negate a player's NMC I dont think? It just means the players was able to dictate if he wanted the trade to happen or not.


    No it doesn't go away automatically, there are claueses of it carrying over or not depending on the players contract and I believe its up to the player to re-activate his NMC or the other exception to the rule is if a player is traded prior to an NMC kicking in -- the new team has the option whether they wish to honour it.
    Sep. 15, 2016 at 1:47 p.m.
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    Peterman I know we will never agree to this...I wouldnt trade Landy.,,,still dont see what the Avs are gaining out of this deal, their Top 6 isnt any better or worse and their D is maybe slightly worse. A 2nd round pick doesnt do it for me to make those sort of moves. Im not the biggest fan of this roster overall. Especially bridge dealing Zadorov, hes going to be a stud so sign him up long term.
    I woudlnt want Emelin on this team, I would rather just play Beauch who would have more value to the lockeroom mentoring the young Dman over taking on Emelin who I dont think is a solid Dman.

    Its interesting but not a fan of it overall
    Sep. 15, 2016 at 4:02 p.m.
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    Patches for Duchene. Straight up hockey trade.
    Sep. 15, 2016 at 4:12 p.m.
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    Patches for Duchene. Straight up hockey trade.


    I would be more inclined to do that instead of a complicated trade with Landeskog
    Sep. 15, 2016 at 4:23 p.m.
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    Quoting: coga16
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    Patches for Duchene. Straight up hockey trade.


    I would be more inclined to do that instead of a complicated trade with Landeskog


    Wow really? I would think Duchie is more valuable than Landeskog but all right that could work also.
    Sep. 15, 2016 at 5:42 p.m.
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    Quoting: F50marco
    Quoting: coga16
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    Patches for Duchene. Straight up hockey trade.


    I would be more inclined to do that instead of a complicated trade with Landeskog


    Wow really? I would think Duchie is more valuable than Landeskog but all right that could work also.


    I think Pacioretty is more of a replacement than he is for Landeskog. I love Dutchy but he is what he is as well, and thats simliar to more a 1 dimensional game which Pacioretty plays as well.
    Sep. 15, 2016 at 6:02 p.m.
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    Edited Sep. 15, 2016 at 6:08 p.m.
    Quoting: coga16
    Quoting: F50marco
    Quoting: coga16
    Quoting: wakeman
    Patches for Duchene. Straight up hockey trade.


    I would be more inclined to do that instead of a complicated trade with Landeskog


    Wow really? I would think Duchie is more valuable than Landeskog but all right that could work also.


    I think Pacioretty is more of a replacement than he is for Landeskog. I love Dutchy but he is what he is as well, and thats simliar to more a 1 dimensional game which Pacioretty plays as well.


    Pacioretty isn't as truculent as Landeskog but he has the frame to do things Duchene can't though. Pacioretty isn't a big hard hitting guy but he is a power forward. People complain he doesn't drive the net as much as they like. That's because his shot is that good. He scores from places other players can't score from. His wrist shot is good enough to beat a goalie even when he's at the top of the circle. He is better suited to use his shot to create scoring chances than to do something he isn't good at it in crashing the net. Colorado scored for 18th best last year in goals. They could use another sniper like Pacioretty.

    Looking at last years cup team. Who was Pittsburgh's version of Landeskog? Hornqvist (Albeit less talented of course). Who was Pittsburgh's version of Pacioretty? Probably Kessel (Once again not same player just similar styles)

    Both were integral to winning but one almost won the Conn Smythe as a result. Once again I didn't mention Patches for Landy in my AGM because i think Landy is better or that we don't need scoring either. It was simply because of the stupid controversy going around in MTL lately. Otherwise Patches is not traded for anything until his contract is up. There are only a few better G/Mil players in the NHL right now who are not on RFA contracts.
    Sep. 15, 2016 at 8:11 p.m.
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    The only way MTL trades Patch is if Landeskog comes back and a 2nd rounder straight up no beauchemin or Emelin
    Sep. 15, 2016 at 9:43 p.m.
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    Quoting: Habs27
    The only way MTL trades Patch is if Landeskog comes back and a 2nd rounder straight up no beauchemin or Emelin


    OK well lets not get too ahead of ourselves. Landeskog is pretty good player too. I think 1 for 1 is fair value wise. It would just have to come down to what the team needs are.
    Sep. 15, 2016 at 10:52 p.m.
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    Quoting: Habs27
    The only way MTL trades Patch is if Landeskog comes back and a 2nd rounder straight up no beauchemin or Emelin


    and a 2nd rounder? Thats crazy talk man, Patches isn't so much better than Landy that they have to add...bananas
     
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