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Quoting: shmoeman

Well made post, but I cant say Id love this as our team. Also cant really see Tampa trading with us ever

Thanks! Yeah I doubt Tampa would ever which kind of destroys the whole idea of this mock. I like the idea of moving Debrusk for Nurse. I also saw a Debrusk for Silfverberg mock on here that intrigued me. You have any LW options that could be acquired to replace Debrusk if we ended up trading him?

Sep. 2, 2020 at 1:27 a.m.

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Quoting: ngikas

Thanks! Yeah I doubt Tampa would ever which kind of destroys the whole idea of this mock. I like the idea of moving Debrusk for Nurse. I also saw a Debrusk for Silfverberg mock on here that intrigued me. You have any LW options that could be acquired to replace Debrusk if we ended up trading him?

I think if they trade Debrusk, it should be for a clear upgrade. Guy like Forsberg, maybe go after a WPG winger. Could build a pretty solid package with some of our younger D, picks, maybe even a G prospect

Sep. 2, 2020 at 1:29 a.m.

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Don't think the Nurse and DeBrusk is that close. Let's look at the numbers over the past 3 seasons:

DeBrusk (Current Age: 23)
17-18: 70 GP, 16G, 27A, 43 PTS (Playoffs: 12 GP, 6G, 2A, 8 PTS)
18-19: 68 GP, 27G, 15A, 42 PTS (Playoffs: 24 GP, 4G, 7A, 11 PTS)
19-20: 65 GP, 19G, 16A, 35 PTS (Playoffs: 13 GP, 4G, 4 PTS)

Nurse (Current Age: 25)
17-18: 82 GP, 6G, 20A, 26 PTS
18-19: 82 GP, 10G, 31A, 41 PTS
19-20: 71 GP, 5G, 28A, 33 PTS (Playoffs: 4 GP, 2A, 2 PTS)

Nurse has put up great numbers with the Oilers and his career high in points is only 2 points behind DeBrusk's career high in points. This trade does give each team what it needs but I think the Oilers would want another D-man in return too like Brandon Carlo. The Oilers would have to send over a mid round pick to even out the value if they wanted Carlo though

Sep. 2, 2020 at 1:38 a.m.

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Quoting: shmoeman

I think if they trade Debrusk, it should be for a clear upgrade. Guy like Forsberg, maybe go after a WPG winger. Could build a pretty solid package with some of our younger D, picks, maybe even a G prospect

I agree but idk if Sweeney would. We've suspected that Urho's name has came up in trade discussions and that Sweeney wasn't fond of that idea. Maybe Beecher could be a piece that's included?

Sep. 2, 2020 at 3:12 a.m.

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I like nurse for debrusk personally. Debrusk is a nice player but he disappears and nurse will help replace krugs offense. Plus the dude is huge. Replacing debrusk is the hard part. Sign Hoffman being the easiest, I like killorn but Tampa isnt going to help boston.

Sep. 2, 2020 at 6:50 a.m.

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Quoting: MTLFAN27

Don't think the Nurse and DeBrusk is that close. Let's look at the numbers over the past 3 seasons:

DeBrusk (Current Age: 23)
17-18: 70 GP, 16G, 27A, 43 PTS (Playoffs: 12 GP, 6G, 2A, 8 PTS)
18-19: 68 GP, 27G, 15A, 42 PTS (Playoffs: 24 GP, 4G, 7A, 11 PTS)
19-20: 65 GP, 19G, 16A, 35 PTS (Playoffs: 13 GP, 4G, 4 PTS)

Nurse (Current Age: 25)
17-18: 82 GP, 6G, 20A, 26 PTS
18-19: 82 GP, 10G, 31A, 41 PTS
19-20: 71 GP, 5G, 28A, 33 PTS (Playoffs: 4 GP, 2A, 2 PTS)

Nurse has put up great numbers with the Oilers and his career high in points is only 2 points behind DeBrusk's career high in points. This trade does give each team what it needs but I think the Oilers would want another D-man in return too like Brandon Carlo. The Oilers would have to send over a mid round pick to even out the value if they wanted Carlo though

ya Boston isnt trade Carlo + DeBrusk for Nurse, thats not even close to value. Your forgetting Nurse is a UFA in two year and makes more than DeBrsuk does.

Sep. 2, 2020 at 6:55 a.m.

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Quoting: MTLFAN27

Don't think the Nurse and DeBrusk is that close. Let's look at the numbers over the past 3 seasons:

DeBrusk (Current Age: 23)
17-18: 70 GP, 16G, 27A, 43 PTS (Playoffs: 12 GP, 6G, 2A, 8 PTS)
18-19: 68 GP, 27G, 15A, 42 PTS (Playoffs: 24 GP, 4G, 7A, 11 PTS)
19-20: 65 GP, 19G, 16A, 35 PTS (Playoffs: 13 GP, 4G, 4 PTS)

Nurse (Current Age: 25)
17-18: 82 GP, 6G, 20A, 26 PTS
18-19: 82 GP, 10G, 31A, 41 PTS
19-20: 71 GP, 5G, 28A, 33 PTS (Playoffs: 4 GP, 2A, 2 PTS)

Nurse has put up great numbers with the Oilers and his career high in points is only 2 points behind DeBrusk's career high in points. This trade does give each team what it needs but I think the Oilers would want another D-man in return too like Brandon Carlo. The Oilers would have to send over a mid round pick to even out the value if they wanted Carlo though

Don't compare forwards and defenseman. You also forgot the defensive performance. And it's too much with Carlo/EDM already have Bear-Bouchard on RD.

Sep. 2, 2020 at 10:11 a.m.

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Still dont like a Nurse - Debrusk trade because its really just unnessesary for the bruins with their LHD depth and their lack of top 6 forwards,

But the rest of the trades look good! And the Lines. Good Looks!

Sep. 2, 2020 at 12:39 p.m.

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Quoting: ON3M4N

ya Boston isnt trade Carlo + DeBrusk for Nurse, thats not even close to value. Your forgetting Nurse is a UFA in two year and makes more than DeBrsuk does.

I know that's I why I said the Oilers would have to add on their end too. Don't exactly what you would add to even it out. My point the value for DeBrusk vs. Nurse isn't as close as people may think

Sep. 2, 2020 at 1:05 p.m.

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Tampa isn’t going to trade with Boston unless its an AHL deal. Me thinks DeBrusk gets a bridge to prove whether or not he is a 2nd or 3rd line LW.

Sep. 2, 2020 at 1:18 p.m.

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Don't compare forwards and defenseman. You also forgot the defensive performance. And it's too much with Carlo/EDM already have Bear-Bouchard on RD.

Defensive Performance:

Jake DeBrusk (Age: 23) (All Stats 5 v 5) (Regular Season)
17-18: 31 Goals Against, 329 Scoring Chances Against, 134 High Danger Chances Against, 15 High Danger Goals Against
18-19: 26 Goals Against, 309 Scoring Chances Against, 116 High Danger Chances Against, 18 High Danger Goals Against
19-20: 26 Goals Against, 325 Scoring Chances Against, 120 High Danger Chances Against, 11 High Danger Goals Against

Darnell Nurse (Age: 25) (All Stats 5 v 5) (Regular Season)
17-18: 56 Goals Against, 721 Scoring Chances Against, 299 High Danger Chances Against, 35 High Danger Goals Against
18-19: 73 Goals Against, 733 Scoring Chances Against, 325 High Danger Chances Against, 47 High Danger Goals Against
19-20: 71 Goals Against, 651 Scoring Chances Against, 253 High Danger Chances Against, 40 High Danger Goals Against

(Via Natural Stat Trick)

Sep. 2, 2020 at 1:26 p.m.

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Quoting: MTLFAN27

Defensive Performance:

Jake DeBrusk (Age: 23) (All Stats 5 v 5) (Regular Season)
17-18: 31 Goals Against, 329 Scoring Chances Against, 134 High Danger Chances Against, 15 High Danger Goals Against
18-19: 26 Goals Against, 309 Scoring Chances Against, 116 High Danger Chances Against, 18 High Danger Goals Against
19-20: 26 Goals Against, 325 Scoring Chances Against, 120 High Danger Chances Against, 11 High Danger Goals Against

Darnell Nurse (Age: 25) (All Stats 5 v 5) (Regular Season)
17-18: 56 Goals Against, 721 Scoring Chances Against, 299 High Danger Chances Against, 35 High Danger Goals Against
18-19: 73 Goals Against, 733 Scoring Chances Against, 325 High Danger Chances Against, 47 High Danger Goals Against
19-20: 71 Goals Against, 651 Scoring Chances Against, 253 High Danger Chances Against, 40 High Danger Goals Against

(Via Natural Stat Trick)

Well, it's a starter but not everything and once again, don't compare F to D.

Sep. 2, 2020 at 1:43 p.m.

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Quoting: MTLFAN27

I know that's I why I said the Oilers would have to add on their end too. Don't exactly what you would add to even it out. My point the value for DeBrusk vs. Nurse isn't as close as people may think

It would need to be another significant piece. DeBrusk for Nurse seems to a consensus fair deal between most Bruins and Oilers fans. DeBrusk on McDavid's wing would be a lock 30 goals scorer and possibly capable of 40G.

Sep. 2, 2020 at 2:25 p.m.

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Quoting: bhavikp27

Well, it's a starter but not everything and once again, don't compare F to D.

Overall, my point is Nurse is a top pairing D-man who can play 20-30 minutes a night while DeBrusk is a 2LW therefore he doesn't have as much value because he's not a centre. A DeBrusk for Nurse swap is not full value that you could from a Nurse trade

Sep. 2, 2020 at 2:37 p.m.

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Quoting: MTLFAN27

Overall, my point is Nurse is a top pairing D-man who can play 20-30 minutes a night while DeBrusk is a 2LW therefore he doesn't have as much value because he's not a centre. A DeBrusk for Nurse swap is not full value that you could from a Nurse trade

I wouldn't say Nurse is a top pair D. Can play there if needed, but better to have him at LD2.

Sep. 2, 2020 at 3:34 p.m.

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Quoting: bhavikp27

I wouldn't say Nurse is a top pair D. Can play there if needed, but better to have him at LD2.

Yeah, you're probably right. The more I look at this the more I'm agreeing with you that the trade is fair value. DeBrusk and Nurse would fill a need for each team. DeBrusk is a guy who consistently puts up 15-20 goals, has good speed, is good defensively, can play on a 2nd power play unit, and can kill penalties. Nurse is a great offensive D-man but the defence is kinda questionable, he doesn't really play on the powerplay, not sure about the PK though. You've persuaded me that trade actually is fair value

Sep. 2, 2020 at 3:42 p.m.

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Quoting: MTLFAN27

Yeah, you're probably right. The more I look at this the more I'm agreeing with you that the trade is fair value. DeBrusk and Nurse would fill a need for each team. DeBrusk is a guy who consistently puts up 15-20 goals, has good speed, is good defensively, can play on a 2nd power play unit, and can kill penalties. Nurse is a great offensive D-man but the defence is kinda questionable, he doesn't really play on the powerplay, not sure about the PK though. You've persuaded me that trade actually is fair value

thats kind of why i dont wanna give him up. bruins already lack the depth scoring. doesnt make sense to trade it away when we have 2 prospect LHD in the system that need to see some ice time at the nhl level.

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Sep. 2, 2020 at 3:42 p.m.

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Quoting: MTLFAN27

Yeah, you're probably right. The more I look at this the more I'm agreeing with you that the trade is fair value. DeBrusk and Nurse would fill a need for each team. DeBrusk is a guy who consistently puts up 15-20 goals, has good speed, is good defensively, can play on a 2nd power play unit, and can kill penalties. Nurse is a great offensive D-man but the defence is kinda questionable, he doesn't really play on the powerplay, not sure about the PK though. You've persuaded me that trade actually is fair value

Didn't mean it was a good deal. I wouldn't do a DeBrusk-Nurse deal since the Bruins need DeBrusk at LW.

Sep. 2, 2020 at 5:13 p.m.

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Quoting: bhavikp27

Didn't mean it was a good deal. I wouldn't do a DeBrusk-Nurse deal since the Bruins need DeBrusk at LW.

No, you guys for sure should keep DeBrusk he's a great young player

Sep. 2, 2020 at 9:52 p.m.

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thats kind of why i dont wanna give him up. bruins already lack the depth scoring. doesnt make sense to trade it away when we have 2 prospect LHD in the system that need to see some ice time at the nhl level.

But getting a guy similar to Debrusk like Killorn would wash that aspect out wouldn't it? Obviously Killorn likely isn't the guy cuz TBL wouldn't move him to BOS but a player similar with Debrusk's production. Nurse would replace Krug's production and you can have a battle between Lauzon/Urho for the final spot on the left side. Grizz likely is gone in the expansion draft and then Lauzon + Urho would slide up into the line up as full time guys. If you look at it long term it kind of actually makes a lot of sense. Obviously a lot more easier said than done because you have to find that guy to replace Debrusk but I think it sets up the Bruins defense pretty nicely moving forward.

Sep. 3, 2020 at 11:09 a.m.

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But getting a guy similar to Debrusk like Killorn would wash that aspect out wouldn't it? Obviously Killorn likely isn't the guy cuz TBL wouldn't move him to BOS but a player similar with Debrusk's production. Nurse would replace Krug's production and you can have a battle between Lauzon/Urho for the final spot on the left side. Grizz likely is gone in the expansion draft and then Lauzon + Urho would slide up into the line up as full time guys. If you look at it long term it kind of actually makes a lot of sense. Obviously a lot more easier said than done because you have to find that guy to replace Debrusk but I think it sets up the Bruins defense pretty nicely moving forward.

Tell me who is available that is similar to killorn and debrusk? whats it cost... if getting debrusk costs nurse plus a little something from the bruins... what are the bruins giving up to get a debrusk back?

Sep. 3, 2020 at 3:46 p.m.

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