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Trade Cousins and Fleury

Created by: Chrismurtagh
Team: 2020-21 Vegas Golden Knights
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 18, 2020
Published: Sep. 3, 2020
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$2,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
5$6,500,000
2$1,500,000
Trades
1.
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  1. 2020 4th round pick (VGK)
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  1. Cousins, Nick [RFA Rights]
2.
VGK
  1. 2021 6th round pick (CAR)
CAR
  1. Fleury, Marc-André ($1,000,000 retained)
  2. 2020 3rd round pick (NJD)
  3. 2021 2nd round pick (NJD)
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2020
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2021
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2022
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22$81,500,000$81,765,772$285,772$932,500-$265,772
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
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UFA - 4
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$5,900,000$5,900,000
C
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UFA - 7
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
LW
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UFA - 3
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$9,500,000$9,500,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 7
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
C, RW
RFA - 2
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
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UFA - 6
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$750,000$750,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
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$1,750,000$1,750,000
RW
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LW
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LD
UFA - 2
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LD/RD
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UFA - 5
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$5,200,000$5,200,000
LD/RD
UFA - 5
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
G
UFA - 5
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$1,700,000$1,700,000
LD
UFA - 2
$1,500,000$1,500,000
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RD
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ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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C, RW
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Sep. 3, 2020 at 2:11 p.m.
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I just don’t see us having to pay for someone to take him
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Sep. 3, 2020 at 2:13 p.m.
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Quoting: VGKNation702
I just don’t see us having to pay for someone to take him


This is a worst case scenario. I also don't think so, but I think Alan Walsh's post took all power away from Vegas in getting something valuable back for Fleury.
Sep. 3, 2020 at 2:18 p.m.
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Quoting: Chrismurtagh
This is a worst case scenario. I also don't think so, but I think Alan Walsh's post took all power away from Vegas in getting something valuable back for Fleury.


I’m not saying value, but having to pay someone to take him....
Sep. 3, 2020 at 2:22 p.m.
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I think a team would definitely pay a 3rd to get MAF at 6m. Allen just went for a 3rd.
Sep. 3, 2020 at 2:24 p.m.
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I think a team would definitely pay a 3rd to get MAF at 6m. Allen just went for a 3rd.


Allen only makes 2.2 million though. I'd be happy to do Fleury for a 3rd straight up.
Sep. 3, 2020 at 2:25 p.m.
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Canes pass. MAF isnt a roster changer and a couple of 3rd rounders doesnt do enough to entice us to take him. We have our own cap issues and this move doesnt help.
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Sep. 3, 2020 at 2:27 p.m.
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Quoting: Chrismurtagh
Allen only makes 2.2 million though. I'd be happy to do Fleury for a 3rd straight up.


Allen makes 4.3m against the cap as a backup.

Let me put it this way: if Lehner for whatever reason said he won't re-sign with Vegas, and Markstrom wasn't available would you

a) just stick with MAF
b) still try and trade him to sign Holtby
c) trade him and give up significant assets for an upgrade
Sep. 3, 2020 at 2:29 p.m.
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Quoting: MGK
Allen makes 4.3m against the cap as a backup.


He did have a .927 save percentage and 2.15 GAA. Fleury is sitting at .905 and 2.77
Sep. 3, 2020 at 2:34 p.m.
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He did have a .927 save percentage and 2.15 GAA. Fleury is sitting at .905 and 2.77


It was only 24 games though. The previous 2 years he was .905 as well.
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Sep. 3, 2020 at 2:39 p.m.
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Quoting: MGK
It was only 24 games though. The previous 2 years he was .905 as well.


It's not about what you did for me. It's about what you did for me recently. Teams are more willing to add Allen vs. Fleury just based off this year.
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Sep. 3, 2020 at 2:43 p.m.
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Let's look at the pure economics of the situation involving Fleury, without any thoughts about "Walsh's post" or "leverage" or any other factor. What team has the cap space to take on Fleury, bearing in mind that the Golden Knights can't take cap back and still sign Lehner, without distorting its roster?

Let's use the example here. Carolina has 17 players, including two goalies, under contract for next season aggregating $72.35 million in cap (with a buyout hangover). With the $1 million retention, that gives Carolina $3 million in cap space. To give the Hurricanes operating room, that means unloading one of the two goalies ($3 million plus) and another big-ticket player (presumably Nino Niederreiter -- $5 million plus). That's two not-inconsiderable tasks right there. Now let's talk about filling the remaining 7 skater roster slots with the resulting $11 million in cap space. Fortunately, Carolina has no big-ticket free agent to sign, only Warren Foegele, who won't cost that much, and they've got plenty of good prospects on entry-level contracts to fill out the team. But that assumes that the goalie and Niederreiter trades are cap-neutral or cap-positive.

In short, the OP is right that Carolina is an eminently reasonable destination for Fleury (one of only a few that actually work), but Carolina won't be as blithely eager to give out a second or third for him as Montreal was to buy Allen. The Canadiens can absorb Allen without making any roster moves whatsoever. That's not true for Fleury.
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Sep. 3, 2020 at 2:57 p.m.
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Quoting: VGKNation702
I just don’t see us having to pay for someone to take him


Look at it from the other side. Who do you think teams would rather have: Thomas Greiss, Anton Khudobin or Brian Elliott at $4 million per year, free agents who will cost nothing in assets to acquire and $2 million less in real money to pay, or Marc-Andre Fleury?
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Sep. 3, 2020 at 3:43 p.m.
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It's not about what you did for me. It's about what you did for me recently. Teams are more willing to add Allen vs. Fleury just based off this year.


7 votes for the Hart trophy & 4th in Vezina voting just last year (just behind 2nd runner up Lehner).
Sep. 6, 2020 at 4:12 p.m.
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I just don’t see us having to pay for someone to take him


I don't see too many teams who could easily take on his deal. On top of that he does have a 10 team no trade list. I'd estimate 4-6 teams would actually be able and willing to take on his contract. That being said, I wouldn't be shocked to see a 3 way trade where his salary is retained and he is moved to a different team at a more manageable price.
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