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Big BOLD moves

Created by: Reason
Team: 2020-21 Vancouver Canucks
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 8, 2020
Published: Sep. 8, 2020
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Big BOLD moves. HIGH risk, HIGH reward, unlikely to ever happen.

The two salary dumps can be to any team.

The two big trades.

Montreal: I was surprised to see other posts of similar value being accepted by Habs fans, if a second is needed instead of a third I would be ok with that. Trading Boeser in the next trade leaves a big hole in the top six, which Dominated can help fill. JT Miller can play either wing so he slides over to the right side and Domi takes his place on the left.

Colorado:
This trade would likely never happen but it’s a big bold move that could be good for both teams. Both teams are dealing from a strength. Colorado gets the more established players, a first line winger in Boeser who could be a very good second line option behind Rantanen, really help to round out their top 6.
In Demko Colorado hopes to fix their goaltending situation long term. Demko has a high ceiling and IF the playoffs are an indication, may be ready to be a solid started next season.
In Rathbone Colorado gets a highly skilled LD who likely grows into a good top 4 offensive D.
If this is not enough to get the deal done, I would be open to swapping g Rathbone for Hoglander.

For Vancouver:
They get the player with the highest upside in Byram. Top pair guy with #1 potential and the biggest reason Colorado May turn down the trade.
Connor Timmons helps address the Canucks right D side that is currently a concern.
Jost adds youth in the bottom six.

I think this is a high risk high reward trade for both teams. Vancouver is in more of a position to take that risk than Colorado and for that reason I am not sure the deal gets done.
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
3$925,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$2,250,000
3$900,000
5$2,750,000
4$5,000,000
3$1,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
4$5,250,000
4$6,000,000
1$1,500,000
1$1,500,000
Trades
1.
VAN
  1. Domi, Max [RFA Rights]
MTL
  1. Juolevi, Olli
  2. Virtanen, Jake [RFA Rights]
  3. 2021 3rd round pick (VAN)
2.
VAN
  1. 2020 7th round pick (DET)
3.
VAN
  1. 2021 7th round pick (MTL)
CHI
  1. Roussel, Antoine
  2. 2020 3rd round pick (VAN)
4.
Buyouts
Recapture Fees
Buried
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2020
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Logo of the ANA
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2021
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Logo of the VAN
Logo of the MTL
2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$78,496,045$1,700,000$6,200,000$3,003,955
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$5,000,000$5,000,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$5,250,000$5,250,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$3,750,000$3,750,000
LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$4,125,000$4,125,000
C
UFA - 3
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$5,250,000$5,250,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$1,500,000$1,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$2,250,000$2,250,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$925,000$925,000
RW, LW
RFA
$1,500,000$1,500,000
C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$3,000,000$3,000,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$900,000$900,000
RW, C
UFA - 2
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$6,000,000$6,000,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$4,375,000$4,375,000
RW, C
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$916,667$916,667 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$6,000,000$6,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$6,000,000$6,000,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$925,000$925,000
RD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
LD/RD
RFA - 3
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$2,750,000$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$6,000,000$6,000,000
G
UFA - 6
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$700,000$700,000
RD
UFA - 1
$1,500,000$1,500,000
G
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$3,500,000$3,500,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 3

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Sep. 9, 2020 at 4:52 a.m.
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I had to head out for a bit and as I was driving I was thinking, “Domi being all over the board wasn't really the right word choice”, especially after I said he was consistently a 40-50 point guy, haha.
I think your statements are all valid and think it’s totally fair Virtanen wouldn’t be a good enough centrepiece going back.

Good chat!
Sep. 9, 2020 at 5:15 a.m.
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Quoting: Reason
I should have added how I broke down this trade to my earlier reply, or even in my description. I’m definitely interested in your thoughts regarding the fairness of value of this trade, even if the trade itself is unlikely to ever get done or doesn’t work for one of the teams.

My value breakdown:

Timmins and Rathbone are both 21 years old with top 4 projection. I give an edge to Timmins however as he is a RD (harder to find) and has a year in the AHL already under his belt (more experienced). I should also mention I have never seen Timmins or Rathbone play (as I doubt many others here have based on 2 NHL games played), so the value could be off here. This breakdown was based on reading articles and listening to way to much Vancouver sports talk radio, well my wife says it’s to much anyways...

In my opinion Demko definitely holds more value than Jost. Projected as a goalie of the future, in my opinion he’s a 1B to start next season but could very well be a solid #1 by seasons end. He’s proven he can play in high pressure games which is a huge positive for goalies and especially for COL as they should be contenders for years to come. In my opinion this more than balances the Timmins for Rathbone part of this trade and tilts the value in COL’s favour.

Boeser for Byram is definitely the interesting and risky part of this deal for both teams, but it’s the piece needed to bring it all together. Boeser is a young established 1st line winger with potential 40 goal upside, should at worst be a regular 30+ goal guy. Byram is unestablished but projected to be a top pair D with #1 upside, he is a valuable and hard to find piece. As stated in a later post, highly regarded D men can take awhile to establish themselves. Seth Jones is a good example of a very highly rated prospect that took a couple of years to establish himself.
With the trade being tilted in COL favour up to this point I feel this part of the trade brings it all together value wise.

It’s a BOLD trade which is why I proposed it, it makes for interesting conversation!

Your thoughts on value?


Demko definitely more than Jost. Though Jost gets a lot of shade thrown his way the kid is 22 and an established NHLer on a top team.
Timmins worth more than Rathbone. Timmins has the concussion stigma still, but he has top level hockey iq and versatility of being able to swing side to side. Not dominant in any one area he is the kind of dman that if he hits his potential makes a top 4 special.
Byram has the potential to be the best dman in the league if he hits his ceiling. Great skater, really good size, great instincts and hands. To the Avs he is worth far more than Boeser who on is a winger that has health issues never having played a full season. On the Avs he is a 2nd line winger behind Rantanen and Landeskog, you don’t give up elite #1 d prospects for guys that will play on your 2nd line.
Sep. 9, 2020 at 5:35 a.m.
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No thanks from Colorado. We're happy to have Byram on an ELC until 2023 at least.
Sep. 9, 2020 at 3:05 p.m.
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Virtanen posts a career year, Domi has down to average season, so now because they were "close" in points, they are supposed to be close in value? Get real. I'm not one of those guys who is going to point to Domi's 72 pts season thinking that it's his value (that season is definitely looking like the outlier), but Domi, making a fair assessment, is still a 50pts, give or take, top 6 forward, whereas Virtanen has never sniffed 40 pts yet.
There's nothing here for MTL to even consider.


I appreciate that you just completely ignored that I said close to fair value, nowhere did I say Virtanen was equal to or better than Domi. Domi is realistically a 50 point player in a top 6 role with an outlier season where he was a 70 point guy. Virtanen is a younger 40 point player trending upward in a third line role, I think if you give him the same minutes their production is close this season and his underlying metrics point to him being better defensively than Domi. That being said, the 70 point season will make the return for Domi greater than Virtanen. The point I was making is that the trade was heavily skewed towards Montreal, the difference between the two is probably a pick in the 2nd-4th round range, not a high end prospect like Juolevi. Do I think either team does that? Again, no. Was just assessing value
 
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