NYR accept

its basically a JGP trade

If Holland wants a 1st round pick and a prospect for JP and the oilers can get Johnsson from the leafs for a 3rd round pick............... That trade isnt even in the ballpark, you are gettting JP for free.

If the Rangers are making a huge acquisition at the TDL like that, i guess i would be pleasantly shocked at how good they are next year because that would be pretty wild for a rental.

Sens. Don't. Want. Byron.

And he won't fetch a 3rd. Way way way less.

yeah ok

Ottawa. Is. Hot. Garbage.

You're right that is not the type of players Ottawa need. But if Barclay Goodrow and Blake Coleman are worth 1st rd at TDL (for a contender team), than Byron could sure be worth a 3rd or a 2nd for the appropriate team.

They're not comparable players though, and you're dreaming if you think they are. Want to know a comparable player who was just traded recently? Artem Anisimov.

In Paul Byron's 448 games he has 185 points, for 0.41 PPG. In the past 4 years that he's been any good, he's had 119 in 248 (0.48 PPG). He has 3 years left at $3.4M and is a 3rd liner at best.

In Artem Anisimov's 752 games he has 367 points, for 0.49 PPG. In the 4 years before being traded to Ottawa, he had 155 in 291 (0.53 PPG). He had 2 years left at $4.55M and was a 3rd liner at best. They traded career 204 in 662 (0.31 PPG) $3.25M x 2 Zack Smith for him 1-for-1.

There was no 2nd, no 3rd, no anything gained. Anisimov is quite simply a better player than Byron. He is a more consistent goal scorer, he has played longer, he has been better longer, he's more reliable, the list goes on. Despite that, he only got back a bad deal and a bad player. Byron has that bad deal that continues on for 3 more years compared to Artem's 2. He's not fetching valuable picks when he's at best going to sub in on someone's third line and at worst on waivers again.

The best comparable you found for a fast 5ft.9 winger and pk specialist is a 6ft.4 center who is barely used on special teams? Interesting.
Funny thing, former Ottawa head coach Guy Boucher said during an interview (in French) that when he was Ottawa HC, Byron was one of the guy you build your gameplan around. Why? Because you can be sure he'll beat any of your Dman with his speed (let's remember that Karlsson was on their team back then). You can mess in the Ozone when Byron is on the ice. His speed is on the same level than Athanasiou (according to Boucher).
Perhaps his contract would require some retain salary. But if you think, at TDL and for the right team he would not fetch a 3rd? You just don't know who the guy is.

If you're quoting Guy Boucher and using that as words of wisdom, you're already fighting a losing battle. He's a former head coach for a reason, and is also one of the most poorly viewed ex coaches in both Ottawa and Tampa's circles where he has coached before. I do agree though that Byron's speed is a nice weapon and likely the only reason he's still maintained a spot in the NHL at this point; it's his best skill by a long shot. But Boucher's word isn't gospel, and won't sell a trade a bunch of years later, especially when Byron has taken steps back and Ottawa has zero interest in trading for a bottom 6er when they have 12+ of those. Their entire roster is made up of bottom 6ers; why would they sell assets for more, pray tell? I'll help you out... they wouldn't.

And the best part? I've made one single post defending my opinion and you've already moved the goal posts. First, you think he's Coleman level which is actually downright laughable. The sweetheart deal of a guy who's killing it in the playoffs on arguably the best team in the league is somehow comparable to the overpayment of someone who lost his spot on a team that squeaked in as the 24th seeded team? Not likely, but you probably knew that and just shot for the stars to try to justify getting ANYTHING in return for the little firecracker. Fine, we all love our own players and want what we can get for them. So you said, okay, maybe a 2nd for Byron. But then when you faced any sort of adversity and got a legitimate comparable with stats and numbers, someone who is objectively better (and you want to even highlight that he does it with very little special teams usage) and yet was traded for absolutely nothing, you go "okay maybe he needs a bit of retaining and then at the deadline he might fetch a 3rd". So now we're talking about a retained Byron maybe fetching a 3rd. So the game has changed entirely. Goal posts moved.

So sure, if the Habs want to retain around a million, then maybe Byron becomes enticing, because $2.4M brings him to Carl Hagelin level and that's about right for the services he brings. Maybe then somebody else wants to move a 3rd for him, but it sure wouldn't be the Sens as (1) they have no interest in bringing in another bottom 6 player for that much money without getting assets back, (2) they're not moving assets for old players that don't move the needle, (3) their 3rd is almost a 2nd, and (4) they're in need of quality now, which Byron is not quite at that point any more. So regardless, no matter what way you approach this, it's a no.

1) I said from the beginning Ottawa isn't a fit. They wouldnt pay that price for him since they don't need him, although they could afford him.
2) Boucher's opinion is better than yours and mine. He said Byron is the type of guy you need to pay attention because he can make you pay at any time. He is overall a good play and reliable player, but when it comes to speed, is not good, but elite. Certainly top 10 in the league. I'm wondering in which category Anisimov is top-10, let me know.
3) He is simply more productive offensively than Goodrow and Coleman. Of course, he is not as physical as them (for obvious reason). He is mostly a PK specialist.
4) Your point was that he would fetch way way way less than a 3rd. What is that mean ? a 5th? a 6th? a 7th? That is laughable. AHLer are traded for 5th and 6th. Not 0.41 PPG bottom-six versatile player.
5) You said he lost his spot. Byron has never been healthy scratched since 2016.
5) the funny thing here is that we will never know who's right between you and I unless he is actually traded. But I'm confident, based on real comparables, that this guy could bring a 2nd or a 3rd. It depends where he is traded, when he is traded, and if there is retain salary or not.

1) You did, which is why it's nice to go back and forth with you. I think you've got a better idea than others, and at least know what you're talking about.
2) Sure, if hockey were all about skating straight lines or laps around rinks. It's not, so it really doesn't matter. It's about handling the puck and doing things with it, and so his "top 10 speed" becomes absolutely redundant because he's nowhere close to top 10 at being able to do anything at that speed. And I didn't try to claim Anisimov was anywhere close to that. I'm not the one trying to claim a bottom 6er is a god here. I'm the one who knows a bottom 6er would get a bottom 6er price.
3) He is more productive offensively than Goodrow, but it's widely considered that the Goodrow trade was an awful one, and it's also not actually for a 1st straight up as other assets went back. Coleman though has become a force to be reckoned with since his slow rookie year, and in this year at the trade was playing at a superior 0.54 PPG. He's signed for 1 more year at $1.8M compared to Byron's 3 at $3.4M, so it's not even a contest who is the more valuable player, and who is the better asset. One is overpaid and the other is underpaid.
4) I would say $2.4M Byron could fetch a 3rd at best if a competitive market is built for him. Bjugstad with 1 year left at $4.1M and a career 0.47 PPG just went for a conditional 7th, but Nick Cousins and his career 0.30 PPG went for a 4th. Namestnikov fetched a 4th as a rental, and his deal is better, plus he was playing really well. Jimmy Vesey went for a 3rd, and he's younger and has shown higher upside. With Byron's deal being bad and longer, gotta expect about a 4th, and that's if the rough aspect of the deal is dealt with. Otherwise, I'd expect the deal to get worse or a sweetener to go back with it. Just the reality of the deal.
5) He lost his spot in the sense that he's being traded. If he's elite and top 10 in the league and so good, keep him then. Must be a game changer, why not keep him? Or he's lost his spot on the team, and has therefore become a cap casualty due to a bad deal and not being a good enough player to make it worth keeping him around. I like the guy, don't get me wrong. It's just the reality of it.
6) Absolutely, I agree. And the thing is, I could end up being completely wrong because somebody could end up stupidly paying a 1st for him, or you could end up being very wrong and Montreal pays something ridiculous like Victor Mete just to relieve themselves of his cap hit. Nobody will really know until it happens. It's just one of the most common trades parroted around here and every single time it's said by just about everybody that the Sens would have zero interest in somebody like Byron and that he's not really worth that much, but it never quite sinks in. The same thing happened with Bjugstad for weeks with Pens fans flipping him for a 3rd or 4th, and then he went for a 7th. The market is always colder than we think.