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Created by: Eli
Team: 2020-21 Washington Capitals
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 1, 2020
Published: Oct. 1, 2020
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Caps rent Subban for one year to try to see if his old coach can get him producing again, and if he can help the Caps win the Cup again. It sounds great, but last year Subban had 18 points and was -21 at a 9M cap hit. Last year Kempny had 18 points and was +19 at 2.5M.

Next offseason, even if he has another bad year, they can retain 1.5M and trade him for a 2nd. Because who doesn't want to give 4.5M P.K. Subban a chance?

Obviously, the Zadorov deal only makes sense if Zadorov's asking price is a bunch lower than Brenden Dillon's, because they bring a very similar physical game, and age isn't a big factor if the Caps are all-in. On the other hand, with McMichael, Alexeyev, and Fehervary developing nicely, who says they have to be all-in?
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$3,333,333
3$750,000
Trades
1.
WSH
  1. Subban, P.K. ($3,000,000 retained)
  2. Zacha, Pavel
2.
WSH
  1. Zadorov, Nikita [RFA Rights]
COL
  1. Boyd, Travis [RFA Rights]
  2. 2020 3rd round pick (ARI)
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2020
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2021
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$81,500,000$71,266,545$419,749$732,500$10,233,455
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$9,538,462$9,538,462
LW
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UFA - 1
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$3,900,000$3,900,000
C
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UFA - 5
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$5,166,667$5,166,667
RW
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UFA - 4
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
LW
UFA - 3
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$9,200,000$9,200,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
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$5,750,000$5,750,000
RW
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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$3,350,000$3,350,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$2,250,000$2,250,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
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$1,375,000$1,375,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
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$750,000$750,000
C
UFA - 2
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
RW, C, LW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
$3,333,333$3,333,333
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$8,000,000$8,000,000
RD
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UFA - 6
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$716,667$716,667
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UFA - 2
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$1,275,000$1,275,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
RD
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$600,000$600K)
G
UFA - 1
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$791,667$791,667 (Performance Bonus$132,500$132K)
LD/RD
RFA - 3
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
RD
UFA - 3
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$750,000$750,000
D
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Oct. 1, 2020 at 3:22 p.m.
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Quoting: Kalopsia
That's not my takeaway from Villenash's comment at all. Nashville's going to have to go the 8 skater route in the ED (Forsberg, Duchene, Johansen, Arvidsson, Josi, Ellis, Ekholm, and Fabbro), so they either lose Jarnkrok or they trade him and risk losing the return in the ED. That's why picks and prospects might make the most sense, but a middle ground like Kempny and a 3rd means they fill a hole for this year, and even if they lose Kempny in the ED they still at least got the 3rd, so I think that could be a good option too.


Wow. Great analysis!

So that's why earlier this summer, when someone suggested just a 1st for Ekholm, NSH fans didn't bat an eyelash. Because that adds a safe asset and opens up a protection slot. I don't really understand this at all, but if the Caps don't have cap space for Dillon, is there a way to combine an Ekholm trade with a Kempny for Jarnkrok deal, that helps them have some flexibility against expansion? Or does WSH still end up overcrowded on LHD?

eta: and if they're unable to reach an agreement with Dillon, would adding his UFA rights have some value in such a big mutual defensive overhaul?
Oct. 1, 2020 at 3:47 p.m.
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Quoting: Eli
Wow. Great analysis!

So that's why earlier this summer, when someone suggested just a 1st for Ekholm, NSH fans didn't bat an eyelash. Because that adds a safe asset and opens up a protection slot. I don't really understand this at all, but if the Caps don't have cap space for Dillon, is there a way to combine an Ekholm trade with a Kempny for Jarnkrok deal, that helps them have some flexibility against expansion? Or does WSH still end up overcrowded on LHD?

eta: and if they're unable to reach an agreement with Dillon, would adding his UFA rights have some value in such a big mutual defensive overhaul?


Yeah, trading for Ekholm and Jarnkrok together is definitely something that's crossed my mind, although I'm sure it'd be expensive. Ekholm seems like a taller version of pre-injury Kempny on a pretty fair contract, so he'd be a great partner for Carlson. I dunno if Kempny, a 1st, and a prospect like Leason would do it, but that's a price I'd definitely be willing to pay. The Lavi connection makes it extra appealing.

As for Dillon's UFA rights, they're probably worth a 5th. That's what Edmundson's rights got, and I think Dillon's better, but we're closer to the start of free agency now so a team acquiring him would have less time to negotiate. I feel like Nashville wouldn't be all that interested in his rights, since trading Ekholm and signing Dillon just puts them right back into the same ED jam.
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Oct. 1, 2020 at 3:56 p.m.
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So, I just saw your comment on my post so I decided to check out your proposed trade here. If we take out Eller and Zacha from this trade and add something else instead, I like the move. Eller is a very good 3C for us, arguably the best we've had in the Ovechkin era. I don't want to get rid of him especially on that contract. I'd be okay with parting ways with a package like:

Kempny
Protas
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2021 2nd round pick

I'm also okay with the Siegenthaler for Jarnkrok trade but I also think that the caps would have to add something small to sweeten it, like a mid round pick. I'm okay with a third line of Jarnkrok - Eller - McMichael.

I might toy around with this trade in a post of my own at some point later. I like the ideas a lot!
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Oct. 1, 2020 at 4:13 p.m.
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So, I just saw your comment on my post so I decided to check out your proposed trade here. If we take out Eller and Zacha from this trade and add something else instead, I like the move. Eller is a very good 3C for us, arguably the best we've had in the Ovechkin era. I don't want to get rid of him especially on that contract. I'd be okay with parting ways with a package like:

Kempny
Protas
Gersich
2021 2nd round pick

I'm also okay with the Siegenthaler for Jarnkrok trade but I also think that the caps would have to add something small to sweeten it, like a mid round pick. I'm okay with a third line of Jarnkrok - Eller - McMichael.

I might toy around with this trade in a post of my own at some point later. I like the ideas a lot!


Thanks so much! I like your Subban trade, too. Might even get more retention, offering picks and prospects for their old guy, to help them rebuild through the draft.

We've seen Eller is fine at 2C as an injury replacement. I wouldn't see Zacha being ready for that yet, but in a few years he might be, and by then McLeod will still be ahead of him on NJ's depth chart, so his trade value might come down, eventually.

I posted the same Subban offer on the Devils' side. No Devils fans said anything, so I think that's a nope. Yours has more potential. Another Devils thread today offered Mirco Mueller for a 4th, though. Could be a good partner for Siegenthaler on a 3rd pair, just based on how good they are in a shutdown role, but better if they both speak the same kind of "Swiss." smile

On p.1 of this thread VilleNash says Nashville might also be more focused on searching for picks and prospects. Isn't everybody.
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Oct. 1, 2020 at 4:17 p.m.
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Thanks so much! I like your Subban trade, too. Might even get more retention, offering picks and prospects for their old guy, to help them rebuild through the draft.

We've seen Eller is fine at 2C as an injury replacement. I wouldn't see Zacha being ready for that yet, but in a few years he might be, and by then McLeod will still be ahead of him on NJ's depth chart, so his trade value might come down, eventually.

I posted the same Subban offer on the Devils' side. No Devils fans said anything, so I think that's a nope. Yours has more potential. Another Devils thread today offered Mirco Mueller for a 4th, though. Could be a good partner for Siegenthaler on a 3rd pair, just based on how good they are in a shutdown role, but better if they both speak the same kind of "Swiss." smile

On p.1 of this thread VilleNash says Nashville might also be more focused on searching for picks and prospects. Isn't everybody.


I reworked a few things in the team I just posted but I think my post might need even more refining lol. I agree on the Zacha v. Eller debate, Eller can handle a lot more if needed but I really wouldn't feel comfortable with Zacha at 2C in case of injury. If the devils were willing to take on more salary, there's a lot more freedom for what the caps can do. The extra 1.5M would make a big difference in the way the forward depth looks. I have a link to my post here.

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1970100
Oct. 1, 2020 at 8:30 p.m.
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Quoting: Kalopsia
Yeah, trading for Ekholm and Jarnkrok together is definitely something that's crossed my mind, although I'm sure it'd be expensive. Ekholm seems like a taller version of pre-injury Kempny on a pretty fair contract, so he'd be a great partner for Carlson. I dunno if Kempny, a 1st, and a prospect like Leason would do it, but that's a price I'd definitely be willing to pay. The Lavi connection makes it extra appealing.

As for Dillon's UFA rights, they're probably worth a 5th. That's what Edmundson's rights got, and I think Dillon's better, but we're closer to the start of free agency now so a team acquiring him would have less time to negotiate. I feel like Nashville wouldn't be all that interested in his rights, since trading Ekholm and signing Dillon just puts them right back into the same ED jam.


NSH would probably be interested in Vrana in an Ekholm deal -- assuming he could be made available since they won't have much cap space to sign him and Samsonov to contract extensions. Kempny + 1st + Leason doesn't get it done. Ekholm will have increased value with his contract and the flat cap as well. So he should be able to get a very solid return for NSH if they end up trading him.
Oct. 1, 2020 at 8:32 p.m.
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No. 'Ville is saying they want to get more value then Kempny, they wouldn't have an expansion protection slot for Kempny, and they'd prefer to get value in the form of a top six wing that WSH doesn't have to offer them. I think the minimum looks like a forward prospect. Maybe a Brett Leason? I think they're thinking long-term and they need wings. Kempny, a top pair LHD with 18 even strength points this year, would otherwise be great value for a forward with 23 even strength points this year.


Quoting: Kalopsia
That's not my takeaway from Villenash's comment at all. Nashville's going to have to go the 8 skater route in the ED (Forsberg, Duchene, Johansen, Arvidsson, Josi, Ellis, Ekholm, and Fabbro), so they either lose Jarnkrok or they trade him and risk losing the return in the ED. That's why picks and prospects might make the most sense, but a middle ground like Kempny and a 3rd means they fill a hole for this year, and even if they lose Kempny in the ED they still at least got the 3rd, so I think that could be a good option too.


You're both right in different ways.

NSH would want more value back from just Kempny, but a deal may be able to work there. And NSH will have to go 4-4 in the expansion draft unless they trade Ekholm, so we'll see what happens. I don't think they would protect Kempny in the draft either way though.
Oct. 1, 2020 at 10:22 p.m.
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Quoting: villenash
NSH would probably be interested in Vrana in an Ekholm deal -- assuming he could be made available since they won't have much cap space to sign him and Samsonov to contract extensions. Kempny + 1st + Leason doesn't get it done. Ekholm will have increased value with his contract and the flat cap as well. So he should be able to get a very solid return for NSH if they end up trading him.


You're definitely right about the flat cap upping Ekholm's value. That's a fair ask, but I don't think the Caps would move Vrana with Ekholm as the main piece coming back. I feel like this would need to be a 3-way trade for it to work - Caps 1st to the 3rd team, young winger from the 3rd team to the Preds, Ekholm to the Caps. Maybe Rakell from the Ducks? He's got almost exactly the same contract remaining as Ekholm.
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