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Laine and Fox

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Team: 2020-21 Philadelphia Flyers
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 5, 2020
Published: Oct. 6, 2020
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Per a recent Frank Seravalli tweet, NYR is in deep cap trouble with the bonus cushion limit. They need to shed players with performance bonuses. Would Fox be available? He's obviously a great dman and would be a good replacement if we trade Sanheim for Laine. His best quality though is that he is expansion draft exempt, so we can still go after a guy like Pietrangelo or Krug. Only question is what would it take to get him. I feel like NYR fans will say this isn't enough but I don't really know how to value him... input is welcome. The Laine trade, on the other hand, I feel is fair value and fits us with the cap.

Seattle Protection would look like:
Forwards - Giroux, Couturier, Hayes, Laine, Lindblom, Patrick, Konecny
Defensemen - Provorov, Krug, Myers
Goalie - Hart

Voracek, Smith, or NAK liklely selected
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$3,000,000
1$1,100,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$1,800,000
6$8,000,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Smith, Craig
3$4,500,000
Trades
1.
PHI
    Retires
    ANA
    1. Niskanen, Matt
    2.
    PHI
    1. Laine, Patrik
    2. Vesalainen, Kristian
    WPG
    1. Frost, Morgan
    2. Sanheim, Travis
    3. van Riemsdyk, James
    4. 2020 1st round pick (PHI)
    3.
    PHI
    1. 2020 5th round pick (BUF)
    BUF
    1. Gostisbehere, Shayne
    4.
    PHI
    1. Fox, Adam
    2. Rykov, Yegor
    NYR
    1. Laughton, Scott
    2. Vesalainen, Kristian
    3. Zamula, Yegor
    4. 2020 7th round pick (MTL)
    5. 2021 2nd round pick (PHI)
    Buyouts
    DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
    2020
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    2021
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    2022
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    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    22$81,500,000$68,912,465$66,037$1,452,500$12,587,535
    Left WingCentreRight Wing
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    Giroux, Claude
    $4,137,500$4,137,500
    RW, C
    NMC
    UFA - 2
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    Couturier, Sean
    $4,333,333$4,333,333
    C
    UFA - 2
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    Laine, Patrik
    $4,995,000$4,995,000
    C, RW, LW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
    Hayes, Kevin
    $3,571,429$3,571,429
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 6
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    Voracek, Jakub
    $8,250,000$8,250,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
    Lindblom, Oskar
    $3,000,000$3,000,000
    LW
    UFA - 3
    Smith, Craig
    $4,500,000$4,500,000
    Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
    Konecny, Travis
    $5,500,000$5,500,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 5
    Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
    Raffl, Michael
    $1,200,000$1,200,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
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    Patrick, Nolan
    $1,100,000$1,100,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 1
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    Farabee, Joel
    $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$500,000$500K)
    LW, RW
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
    Bunnaman, Connor
    $736,666$736,666 (Performance Bonus$20,000$20K)
    C, LW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
    Aubé-Kubel, Nicolas
    $1,075,000$1,075,000
    RW
    UFA - 2
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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    Provorov, Ivan
    $4,725,000$4,725,000
    LD
    UFA - 5
    Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
    Myers, Philippe
    $3,000,000$3,000,000
    RD
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
    Hart, Carter
    $730,833$730,833 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
    G
    RFA - 1
    Krug, Torey
    $8,000,000$8,000,000
    LD
    UFA - 7
    Logo of the New York Rangers
    Fox, Adam
    $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
    RD
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
    Elliott, Brian
    $1,500,000$1,500,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
    Braun, Justin
    $1,800,000$1,800,000
    RD
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
    Hägg, Robert
    $1,600,000$1,600,000
    LD
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
    Friedman, Mark
    $725,000$725,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 2

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    Oct. 6, 2020 at 1:26 p.m.
    #1
    Rino911
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    An absolute no from rangers
    Oct. 6, 2020 at 1:27 p.m.
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    Fox is also untouchable
    Oct. 6, 2020 at 1:27 p.m.
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    That is no where near enough for Fox
    Oct. 6, 2020 at 1:28 p.m.
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    Gtfo with that Fox trade
    Oct. 6, 2020 at 1:29 p.m.
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    Quoting: Rino911
    An absolute no from rangers


    Quoting: Rino911
    Fox is also untouchable


    This is what I feared. But who are the Rangers going to trade in order to stay under the bonus cushion limit? The only other options are Kakko and Sheshterkin. Or are they going to shed cap another way (eg trade Smith)?
    Oct. 6, 2020 at 1:31 p.m.
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    I think you need a couple more picks for Laine
    Oct. 6, 2020 at 1:31 p.m.
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    Quoting: Tedeward
    This is what I feared. But who are the Rangers going to trade in order to stay under the bonus cushion limit? The only other options are Kakko and Sheshterkin. Or are they going to shed cap another way (eg trade Smith)?

    We trading smith soon. That’s what’s happening and letting Strome go to fa than trade for Danult or potentially Offer sheet cierelli but prob not
    Oct. 6, 2020 at 1:32 p.m.
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    Buffalo accepts
    Oct. 6, 2020 at 1:32 p.m.
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    Also the value is not enough on the Flyers side.
    Oct. 6, 2020 at 1:32 p.m.
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    Quoting: TheDime99
    That is no where near enough for Fox


    Quoting: buchiegang
    Gtfo with that Fox trade


    If we are trading Sanheim for Laine, I think I would be willing to form a package around Farabee for Fox. But the problem is that adds to NYR's bonus issue. I guess Fox just wouldn't work in a trade, but I seriously have no idea how NYR is gonna do the gymnastics to get cap compliant with the bonus issue on top of the buyout cap hits.
    Oct. 6, 2020 at 1:35 p.m.
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    Quoting: Tedeward
    This is what I feared. But who are the Rangers going to trade in order to stay under the bonus cushion limit? The only other options are Kakko and Sheshterkin. Or are they going to shed cap another way (eg trade Smith)?


    There are better ways then to part with Fox. Yes true the more players with bonuses that are in the lineup the lower the working cap for this year however. All those players are on ELCs and are under a million dollars. So the more roster spots filled with ELCs the less cap has to be spent on roster players. And vice versa, the less ELC players on the roster, the more cap available to go to FAs and therefore more working cap. Rangers will likely decide on keeping one of ADA or Strome (seems like ADA form initial reports) and move Smith if they have to. Not only are they not moving Fox for that purpose, they are not trading him for that. Seravellis tweet is a little misleading...
    Oct. 6, 2020 at 1:36 p.m.
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    Quoting: Rino911
    We trading smith soon. That’s what’s happening and letting Strome go to fa than trade for Danult or potentially Offer sheet cierelli but prob not


    I don't know if that will be enough to get you compliant. In fairness, I havent played around with NYR armchair yet. But I most definetely can't see you getting cirelli or danault. Did you see what Seravalli posted today? It seems like a huge issue. Or am I missing something?

    Link to Seravalli's tweet: https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1313515776754814986
    Oct. 6, 2020 at 1:37 p.m.
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    Quoting: buchiegang
    There are better ways then to part with Fox. Yes true the more players with bonuses that are in the lineup the lower the working cap for this year however. All those players are on ELCs and are under a million dollars. So the more Forster floats filled with ELCs the less cap has to be spent on roster players. And vice versa, the less ELC players on the roster, the more cap available to gov two FAs. Rangers will likely decide on keeping one of ADA or Strome (seems like ADA form initial reports) and move Smith if they have to. Not only are they not moving Fox for that purpose, they are not trading him for that...


    OK that makes more sense. Admittedly, I think I saw the tweet from Frank and jumped the gun on Fox.
    Oct. 6, 2020 at 1:42 p.m.
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    Quoting: Tedeward
    I don't know if that will be enough to get you compliant. In fairness, I havent played around with NYR armchair yet. But I most definetely can't see you getting cirelli or danault. Did you see what Seravalli posted today? It seems like a huge issue. Or am I missing something?

    Link to Seravalli's tweet: https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1313515776754814986

    we aren’t in a bad cap situation at all. We are in a good one rn, we can get Danult rn for 3 mil bc that’s what’s he is under contract for so
    Oct. 6, 2020 at 1:42 p.m.
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    Quoting: Tedeward
    I don't know if that will be enough to get you compliant. In fairness, I havent played around with NYR armchair yet. But I most definetely can't see you getting cirelli or danault. Did you see what Seravalli posted today? It seems like a huge issue. Or am I missing something?

    Link to Seravalli's tweet: https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1313515776754814986


    Your missing in that you seem to think the bonus limit is a hard line, where if they are over the ~6m in bonuses that make up 7.5% of the cap, they have to shed players that have bonuses to get compliant. Thats not it. They just lose dollars in real cap space for those additional bonus dollars. So the Rangers show 23m in cap space with CF right now but are really closer to 18m when you factor in Laffy. They arent just gonna give away Fox for some space lol. Easier ways to clear money.
    Oct. 6, 2020 at 1:44 p.m.
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    Quoting: buchiegang
    There are better ways then to part with Fox. Yes true the more players with bonuses that are in the lineup the lower the working cap for this year however. All those players are on ELCs and are under a million dollars. So the more roster spots filled with ELCs the less cap has to be spent on roster players. And vice versa, the less ELC players on the roster, the more cap available to go to FAs and therefore more working cap. Rangers will likely decide on keeping one of ADA or Strome (seems like ADA form initial reports) and move Smith if they have to. Not only are they not moving Fox for that purpose, they are not trading him for that. Seravellis tweet is a little misleading...
    exactly what I’m thinkin but I didn’t feel like writing a paragraph to him lol
    Oct. 6, 2020 at 1:47 p.m.
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    Quoting: BSpadaro83
    Your missing in that you seem to think the bonus limit is a hard line, where if they are over the ~6m in bonuses that make up 7.5% of the cap, they have to shed players that have bonuses to get compliant. Thats not it. They just lose dollars in real cap space for those additional bonus dollars. So the Rangers show 23m in cap space with CF right now but are really closer to 18m when you factor in Laffy. They arent just gonna give away Fox for some space lol. Easier ways to clear money.


    Quoting: Rino911
    exactly what I’m thinkin but I didn’t feel like writing a paragraph to him lol


    Yeah I was confused on how the bonus cushion works. I see now that its more of like a tax than a limit. Thanks for explaining guys.
    Oct. 6, 2020 at 1:49 p.m.
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    I highly doubt Winnipeg takes back JVR as a cap dump without compensation.
     
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