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Players in proper roles at proper prices

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Team: 2020-21 Custom Team
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 21, 2020
Published: Oct. 21, 2020
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Didn't take guys like Marchand, Pastrnak and Mackinnon for example because they are underpaid. Didn't take guys like Matthews/Mcdavid because they are overpaid (with respect to other topline centers I.E Crosby).

Looking for players who are on fair deals (for team and player) based on what their role is. Cap Compliant. No ELC's. So looking for example, for the best 2nd line center who makes 4-6.5 because a second line centr is worth 4-6.5 IMO.
What I was going for essentially was a perfecet cap distribution based on how much money spent on each line/pairing.

Let me know what you think?

Any of these deals actually unfair? to the player or team? If you'd replace anyone, who with and why?

How far would this team go in the Playoffs?
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
20$81,500,000$78,891,240$0$0$2,608,760
Left WingCentreRight Wing
Logo of the Washington Capitals
$9,538,462$9,538,462
LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$8,700,000$8,700,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
$5,400,000$5,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$7,000,000$7,000,000
RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$4,500,000$4,500,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Nashville Predators
$4,250,000$4,250,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
Logo of the St. Louis Blues
$1,500,000$1,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Dallas Stars
$3,250,000$3,250,000
C, LW
UFA - 5
Logo of the Los Angeles Kings
$2,000,000$2,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the St. Louis Blues
$1,475,000$1,475,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the St. Louis Blues
$1,500,000$1,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Tampa Bay Lightning
$900,000$900,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
$5,300,000$5,300,000
LD
UFA - 5
Logo of the Boston Bruins
$4,900,000$4,900,000
RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Anaheim Ducks
$6,400,000$6,400,000
G
UFA - 7
Logo of the Anaheim Ducks
$2,602,778$2,602,778
LD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Vegas Golden Knights
$5,200,000$5,200,000
LD/RD
UFA - 5
Logo of the Washington Capitals
$1,500,000$1,500,000
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the New York Islanders
$1,600,000$1,600,000
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the St. Louis Blues
$1,375,000$1,375,000
RD
UFA - 2

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Oct. 21, 2020 at 5:10 p.m.
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jones and werenski on the 2nd pair are proper roles????? Pelech on the 3rd pair? Tkachuk on the 2nd line?
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Oct. 21, 2020 at 5:14 p.m.
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jones and werenski on the 2nd pair are proper roles????? Pelech on the 3rd pair? Tkachuk on the 2nd line?


Tkatchuk plays second line in Calgary... Jones and werenski prob not.
Oct. 21, 2020 at 5:16 p.m.
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jones and werenski on the 2nd pair are proper roles????? Pelech on the 3rd pair? Tkachuk on the 2nd line?


And paying your top two defensemen 5.3 and 4.9 mil?

I wouldn't use the overpaid argument for Matthews and McDavid and then play Ovi - what you can say is that's in not an expectation of an average team to have generational talents in those spots, but then again you have Crosby there, so idk...

I think the issue kinda is that you assume a player should make a certain amount or perform at a specific level, when in reality teams should just accumulate as much talent as possible. Colorado doesn't look at Kadri and say "this is a nice 2C", the say "this is a great player for 4.5 mil that we can slot in on our second line". I think sorting players into categories of "he's a true 1C/2C/3C" etc. blurres the lines between really good 1C's and really bad 1C's. The worst 1C is as close to the average 1C as the average 2C. It's better to think in terms of sliding scales. Kadri is probably around the 30-35th best C in the league imo - meaning he probably doesn't slot in here, most would probably say he's underpaid too...
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Oct. 21, 2020 at 5:17 p.m.
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Tkatchuk plays second line in Calgary... Jones and werenski prob not.


Werenski-Jones are the first pair in Columbus, you have them at 2nd. Pelech is a top4 D/2nd pair, you have him on the 3rd pair. Rest is fine.

And McDavid isn't overpaid.
Oct. 21, 2020 at 5:18 p.m.
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Werenski-Jones are the first pair in Columbus, you have them at 2nd. Pelech is a top4 D/2nd pair, you have him on the 3rd pair. Rest is fine.

And McDavid isn't overpaid.


I fixed that. And he's not overpaid but I wouldn't want 12.5 invested in one player knowing what it does to the rest of the lineup. Hard to argue the highest paid player in the league is on a good contract.
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Oct. 21, 2020 at 5:19 p.m.
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And paying your top two defensemen 5.3 and 4.9 mil?

I wouldn't use the overpaid argument for Matthews and McDavid and then play Ovi - what you can say is that's in not an expectation of an average team to have generational talents in those spots, but then again you have Crosby there, so idk...

I think the issue kinda is that you assume a player should make a certain amount or perform at a specific level, when in reality teams should just accumulate as much talent as possible. Colorado doesn't look at Kadri and say "this is a nice 2C", the say "this is a great player for 4.5 mil that we can slot in on our second line". I think sorting players into categories of "he's a true 1C/2C/3C" etc. blurres the lines between really good 1C's and really bad 1C's. The worst 1C is as close to the average 1C as the average 2C. It's better to think in terms of sliding scales. Kadri is probably around the 30-35th best C in the league imo - meaning he probably doesn't slot in here, most would probably say he's underpaid too...


Ovi has won how many richards? He's worth every penny.
Oct. 21, 2020 at 5:21 p.m.
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Tkatchuk plays second line in Calgary... Jones and werenski prob not.


Thats like calling malkin a 2C
Oct. 21, 2020 at 5:23 p.m.
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Thats like calling malkin a 2C


Tkatchuk is a 65-70 point guy, great 2nd liner. borderline 1st liner. Could easily replace him with someone else. He's not on the first line on probably half the teams in the league so you could argue it either way.
Oct. 21, 2020 at 5:24 p.m.
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Ovi has won how many richards? He's worth every penny.


I think he's saying Ovi's underpaid. I could be wrong though.
Oct. 21, 2020 at 5:38 p.m.
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Ovi has won how many richards? He's worth every penny.


Ah, yes, if you won awards previously on your contract you're worth it.

No of course that has no relevance today. If you score 100 goals but your teams gets outscored 3-1 whenever you're on the ice, clearly you're not worth that money. I'm not even saying that's exactly the case, but you're not grappling with the argument here.
Oct. 21, 2020 at 5:39 p.m.
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I think the whole top six is underpaid. But that's okay.
I think you've slotted players into proper roles for the most part, I don't think the third and fourth line players here are buried down there in the bottom six. However, you can't ice a team of perfectly compensated players, with perfect amounts of ice time, because you would just have an average team. You would need to do something like you have here, where everyone is a bit underpaid, and a bit underutilized. That's just having depth. This is what great team looks like: everyone sacrifices a little bit to win. You can't just bury Ovechkin on the third line, because when inevitably there's an injury to a top six player, he'll show that he's actually Elite and he'll no longer be satisfied with third line minutes.

As for the team itself, I think it's fantastic. It's a bunch of great players on value contracts. The important players are on term. The depth guys are tradable if you wanted to get someone who's cheaper, or a better fit. You can supplement the depth in Free Agency if you want.
My only nitpick is that Theodore should be playing top pair over Lindholm. Otherwise, well done.
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Oct. 21, 2020 at 5:43 p.m.
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Ah, yes, if you won awards previously on your contract you're worth it.

No of course that has no relevance today. If you score 100 goals but your teams gets outscored 3-1 whenever you're on the ice, clearly you're not worth that money. I'm not even saying that's exactly the case, but you're not grappling with the argument here.


I'm still not understanding %100 here, are you saying that OV is not a first line player anymore? Because that's a hysterical opinion if true. How many guys out scored him last year? 2? and he still plays fast and physical as he ever did. You're delusional if that's your thinking here.
Oct. 21, 2020 at 5:45 p.m.
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I think the whole top six is underpaid. But that's okay.
I think you've slotted players into proper roles for the most part, I don't think the third and fourth line players here are buried down there in the bottom six. However, you can't ice a team of perfectly compensated players, with perfect amounts of ice time, because you would just have an average team. You would need to do something like you have here, where everyone is a bit underpaid, and a bit underutilized. That's just having depth. This is what great team looks like: everyone sacrifices a little bit to win. You can't just bury Ovechkin on the third line, because when inevitably there's an injury to a top six player, he'll show that he's actually Elite and he'll no longer be satisfied with third line minutes.

As for the team itself, I think it's fantastic. It's a bunch of great players on value contracts. The important players are on term. The depth guys are tradable if you wanted to get someone who's cheaper, or a better fit. You can supplement the depth in Free Agency if you want.
My only nitpick is that Theodore should be playing top pair over Lindholm. Otherwise, well done.


Thanks! finally someone understands what I was going for. As for your theodore comment he is paired with Lidholm not above him smile
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Oct. 21, 2020 at 5:49 p.m.
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Thanks! finally someone understands what I was going for. As for your theodore comment he is paired with Lidholm not above him smile


Oh yeah. IDK then. I want to have Theodore top pair but I don't want to move Slavin down. And I'm not sure if Lindholm really plays RD.
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Oct. 21, 2020 at 5:53 p.m.
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I'm still not understanding %100 here, are you saying that OV is not a first line player anymore? Because that's a hysterical opinion if true. How many guys out scored him last year? 2? and he still plays fast and physical as he ever did. You're delusional if that's your thinking here.


Yeah. He get's outscored on the ice, I don't know what else to tell you. I still think he has a decent value, but you have to tilt the ice in his favor to take advantage of the parts of his skillset which are elite. I wouldn't pay Ovechkin 9.5m in free agency. He's what, the 3rd highest paid winger in the league? I don't understand how you're going for "proper roles/prices" when that's the case. If you think he's elite, rather than roughly #15, why would you put him in a team like this anyways?
Oct. 21, 2020 at 5:54 p.m.
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Oh yeah. IDK then. I want to have Theodore top pair but I don't want to move Slavin down. And I'm not sure if Lindholm really plays RD.


He's playing Theodore on RHD, but I have no idea how a team has "player in proper roles" when you have no less than 3-4 top 20 D-men all being a bit to massively underpaid.
Oct. 21, 2020 at 6:02 p.m.
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Yeah. He get's outscored on the ice, I don't know what else to tell you. I still think he has a decent value, but you have to tilt the ice in his favor to take advantage of the parts of his skillset which are elite. I wouldn't pay Ovechkin 9.5m in free agency. He's what, the 3rd highest paid winger in the league? I don't understand how you're going for "proper roles/prices" when that's the case. If you think he's elite, rather than roughly #15, why would you put him in a team like this anyways?


He's irreplaceable. Nobody brings to the game what OV brings to the game. The best pure goal scorer in the league. IDK how you can so wildly undervalue that.
 
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