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Oct. 28, 2020 at 4:54 p.m.
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No, it's not close to a fair deal. Matthews is not a top 5 player in the league, that is outright silly homerism.

Matthews is good but he's not $4.884 mil better than Laine and the difference between them with contracts taken into account isn't Pionk and Hellebuyck.

This trade absolutely makes the Jets a worse team next year and going forward after that until Matthews leaves.


Laine is on a bridge, he has 1 more year left hes gonna ask for similar money next year matthews is worth every penny more than laine and then some, he may not be a top 5 player in the league, but he is head over heels better than laine, matthews is literally better in every single aspect of the game
Oct. 28, 2020 at 4:58 p.m.
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No, it's not close to a fair deal. Matthews is not a top 5 player in the league, that is outright silly homerism.

Matthews is good but he's not $4.884 mil better than Laine and the difference between them with contracts taken into account isn't Pionk and Hellebuyck.

This trade absolutely makes the Jets a worse team next year and going forward after that until Matthews leaves.


Yes he is. The only player that are certainly better than him are McDavid and MacKinnon. Probably Crosby and Kucherov too.
Oct. 28, 2020 at 5:09 p.m.
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Laine is on a bridge, he has 1 more year left hes gonna ask for similar money next year matthews is worth every penny more than laine and then some, he may not be a top 5 player in the league, but he is head over heels better than laine, matthews is literally better in every single aspect of the game


Again you are exaggerating. He might be better, but not by a crazy amount. Certainly, not $4.884 mil better as much as Leaf fans hate to admit it.

There is no evidence or reports of what Laine's ask is and Chevy is a pushover like Dubas so he won't get a ridiculous Matthews/Marner contract.
Oct. 28, 2020 at 5:10 p.m.
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Yes he is. The only player that are certainly better than him are McDavid and MacKinnon. Probably Crosby and Kucherov too.


Lol. Okay.tears of joy
Oct. 28, 2020 at 5:16 p.m.
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Again you are exaggerating. He might be better, but not by a crazy amount. Certainly, not $4.884 mil better as much as Leaf fans hate to admit it.

There is no evidence or reports of what Laine's ask is and Chevy is a pushover like Dubas so he won't get a ridiculous Matthews/Marner contract.


head over heels, what is laine close to in matthews besides goal scoring?, which matthews has been better the last 2 years, matthews had more goals last year in less games, so by the sounds of it if dubas offered matthews of laine 1 for 1 youd say no? laine isnt close, if you redraft that draft hes lucky to go top 5, matthews still 1 no doubt
Oct. 28, 2020 at 5:27 p.m.
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head over heels, what is laine close to in matthews besides goal scoring?, which matthews has been better the last 2 years, matthews had more goals last year in less games, so by the sounds of it if dubas offered matthews of laine 1 for 1 youd say no? laine isnt close, if you redraft that draft hes lucky to go top 5, matthews still 1 no doubt


So, Matthews is paid 72.36% more than Laine, but does not score 72.36% more. Matthews should be putting up 114 points a year to make him equal value, yet he's not close to that and provides no other intangibles or anything else to make up the difference. Matthews' horrendous contract simply makes him a terrible value.
Oct. 28, 2020 at 5:32 p.m.
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So, Matthews is paid 72.36% more than Laine, but does not score 72.36% more. Matthews should be putting up 114 points a year to make him equal value, yet he's not close to that and provides no other intangibles or anything else to make up the difference. Matthews' horrendous contract simply makes him a terrible value.


SO LAINE HAS MORE VALUE!??! oh yeah all bout goals, great mentality, plays center, waaaaaaaaaay better 2 way game, just a better all around player, also a crappy attittude laine has, calling out his coaches for not giving him the top minutes and calling out bis linemates, hes the 5th best forward on that team and once again its a bridge, meaning laine wanted more but chevy didnt wanna give it to him (now he wants to trade him) and he settled for the small deal, so hes gonna ask for 9+ easily, if you think its only goal scoring thats the difference and matthews contract is terrible value, then you simply dont know anything
Oct. 28, 2020 at 5:36 p.m.
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oh yeah all bout goals, great mentality, plays center, waaaaaaaaaay better 2 way game, just a better all around player, also a crappy attittude laine has, calling out his coaches for not giving him the top minutes and calling out bis linemates, hes the 5th best forward on that team and once again its a bridge, meaning laine wanted more but chevy didnt wanna give it to him (now he wants to trade him) and he settled for the small deal, so hes gonna ask for 9+ easily, if you think its only goal scoring thats the difference and matthews contract is terrible value, then you simply dont know anything


That's what I thought, you have no actual evidence you can point to, just a bunch of hot takes from message boards and a biased view through blue tinted goggles.

Matthews simply isn't worth anywhere close to his contract.
Oct. 28, 2020 at 5:52 p.m.
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That's what I thought, you have no actual evidence you can point to, just a bunch of hot takes from message boards and a biased view through blue tinted goggles.

Matthews simply isn't worth anywhere close to his contract.


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Scoring Goals Assists Shots Ice Time
Season Age Tm Lg GP G A PTS +/- PIM EV PP SH GW EV PP SH S S% TSA TOI ATOI BLK HIT TK GV
Career 4 yrs 305 138 109 247 -1 114 86 52 0 17 77 32 0 916 15.1 1712 5392 17:41 155 321 141 211

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Season Age Tm Lg GP G A PTS +/- PIM EV PP SH GW EV PP SH S S% TSA TOI ATOI BLK HIT TK GV

Career 4 yrs 282 158 127 285 37 46 121 37 0 23 85 42 0 1007 15.7 1739 5299 18:48 242 105 270 218

Matthews is literally better in every single category except for hits. LOL 40 more points in 20 less games, better d stats, your good enough evidence for you? too many hot takes? Laines a bum
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Oct. 28, 2020 at 5:59 p.m.
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LAine
Scoring Goals Assists Shots Ice Time
Season Age Tm Lg GP G A PTS +/- PIM EV PP SH GW EV PP SH S S% TSA TOI ATOI BLK HIT TK GV
Career 4 yrs 305 138 109 247 -1 114 86 52 0 17 77 32 0 916 15.1 1712 5392 17:41 155 321 141 211

Matthews
Season Age Tm Lg GP G A PTS +/- PIM EV PP SH GW EV PP SH S S% TSA TOI ATOI BLK HIT TK GV

Career 4 yrs 282 158 127 285 37 46 121 37 0 23 85 42 0 1007 15.7 1739 5299 18:48 242 105 270 218

Matthews is literally better in every single category except for hits 40 more points in 20 less games, better d stats, your good enough evidence for you? Laines a bum


Lol. Sorry I hurt your feelings. The plain and simple fact is Laine provides more per dollar than Matthews. The stats there don't really show anything that you are claiming. They definitely don't show Matthews as this fantastic two way player you claim him to be. I did notice Matthews' 7 more giveaways in 20 less games though.

If you dig into Matthews' stats a little more, you'll see that he scores most of his points in easy games and is a no show in tough games.

Anyways until Matthews puts up 114 points Laine is a better value.
Oct. 28, 2020 at 6:10 p.m.
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Lol. Sorry I hurt your feelings. The plain and simple fact is Laine provides more per dollar than Matthews. The stats there don't really show anything that you are claiming. They definitely don't show Matthews as this fantastic two way player you claim him to be. I did notice Matthews' 7 more giveaways in 20 less games though.

If you dig into Matthews' stats a little more, you'll see that he scores most of his points in easy games and is a no show in tough games.

Anyways until Matthews puts up 114 points Laine is a better value.


youre a clown, no point in arguing anymore because youre wrong, matthews got selke nominations and people around the league, not just people on these forums, analysts, insiders, have said he has imporved his 2 way game a lot and has become a good 2 way player, laine is lazy, selfish. laine is useless without the puck, chevy wants to trade him so he obviously doesnt think hes that good, they arent close, matthews has more value, you dont know anything, your opinion is useless.
Oct. 28, 2020 at 6:22 p.m.
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youre a clown, no point in arguing anymore because youre wrong, matthews got selke nominations and people around the league, not just people on these forums, analysts, insiders, have said he has imporved his 2 way game a lot and has become a good 2 way player, laine is lazy, selfish. laine is useless without the puck, chevy wants to trade him so he obviously doesnt think hes that good, they arent close, matthews has more value, you dont know anything, your opinion is useless.


The reply I knew would come. You have nothing that supports your argument so you fall back to childish name calling. Next time you are in over your head in a discussion with a knowledgeable hockey poster, try to stay away from exaggerating and have a few items that you can back up with facts like I did. Remember any fan that isn't a leaf fan doesn't have the blue tinted goggles or access to the leaf Kool-Aid, so we will tend to see things without bias and the "He's a Leaf, so he's generational" silliness. Sorry you have trouble accepting facts and actual statistics.
Oct. 28, 2020 at 6:25 p.m.
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The reply I knew would come. You have nothing that supports your argument so you fall back to childish name calling. Next time you are in over your head in a discussion with a knowledgeable hockey poster, try to stay away from exaggerating and have a few items that you can back up with facts like I did. Remember any fan that isn't a leaf fan doesn't have the blue tinted goggles or access to the leaf Kool-Aid, so we will tend to see things without bias and the "He's a Leaf, so he's generational" silliness. Sorry you have trouble accepting facts and actual statistics.


I literally gave you stats and you gave nothing besides your useless opinion lol
Oct. 28, 2020 at 6:29 p.m.
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I literally gave you stats and you gave nothing besides your useless opinion lol


Your stats didn't prove anything about 2 way play as I said, you just want me to believe your biased opinion that Matthews is fantastic.

I gave you actual stats on scoring rate per dollar rather than an opinion and you chose to ignore them because they didn't support your narrative.
Oct. 28, 2020 at 6:34 p.m.
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Your stats didn't prove anything about 2 way play as I said, you just want me to believe your biased opinion that Matthews is fantastic.

I gave you actual stats on scoring rate per dollar rather than an opinion and you chose to ignore them because they didn't support your narrative.


He got 3 selke Nominations 1 1st and 2 5ths for the best defmeivse forward in the league, more takeaways, more blocked shots, I can’t believe this is being argued that you think these guys are even close
Oct. 28, 2020 at 6:48 p.m.
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Lol. Okay.tears of joy

Name some better players then.
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That's what I thought, you have no actual evidence you can point to, just a bunch of hot takes from message boards and a biased view through blue tinted goggles.

Matthews simply isn't worth anywhere close to his contract.


Id say Matthews is worth his contract. However, he should have gotten more term.
Oct. 28, 2020 at 7:03 p.m.
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No, it's not close to a fair deal. Matthews is not a top 5 player in the league, that is outright silly homerism.

Matthews is good but he's not $4.884 mil better than Laine and the difference between them with contracts taken into account isn't Pionk and Hellebuyck.

This trade absolutely makes the Jets a worse team next year and going forward after that until Matthews leaves.


Matthews is a top 5 center. Top 10-12 forward. McDavid, Crosby, MacKinnon, Draisaitl, Matthews. Who’s better? Eichel, Point, Pettersson, Aho, Barkov, Malkin?? No, those 6 fall into the 2nd teir of Center’s IMO. Towes, Stamkos, Kopitar, Bergeron?? Doubt it. They have all started their decline. Stamkos less than the other 4, but I’d just put Stamkos up their with Malkin then, if you’d still consider him a Center.
Oct. 28, 2020 at 7:57 p.m.
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The Coyotes are garbage, and they make the least money out of the whole nhl. I'm willing to bet the are gone before Matthews has the chance to sign with them.


In fairness the leafs were garbage as well... how do u think they landed Matthews, but fair point on the $$
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Oct. 28, 2020 at 8:41 p.m.
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In fairness the leafs were garbage as well... how do u think they landed Matthews, but fair point on the $$


Ok, the leafs were garbage at one point. Not like the yotes. The leafs were consistantly last in the league. That is good as you stock up on high draft picks. The yotes on the other hand? They are just ok. And they don't have the option to tank next year.
 
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