Lol. Only in Toronto is matthews better than eichel. Only in Toronto

I edited your comment to make it true

Perfect!! Agree completely, if u look at my post alittle further up!! It’s the same!! U get into a mess after that. And I wouldn’t be terrible mad or it’s not complete absurd if someone would still want to slide, Bergeron, Kopitar or Toews at the bottom there too still!!

Say bye to everything you've said on here troll.

man, it's kind of about goals though - and points. That's a huge factor when picking a #1 centre. Matthews is literally the best goal scorer in the NHL behind ovi, and he's getting older and older and Matthews is just entering his prime

As for defence, good players play good defence regardless of their team. Stone was still an elite 2 way player on a garbage ottawa team, Toews is still fantastic despite Chicago's struggles etc. etc.

Don’t forget ROR he deserves a little love at the back with Bergeron Kopitar Toews Barzal Zibs and Schiefle.

No. You simply validated my point. Only in Toronto.

You would rank O’Reilly or Schieffe over Couturier??

Go back and look at my list..I mention them all!! Lol.

Over their first four seasons:
---Matthews: 282gp w/ 18:40 ATOI | 158g 127a 285p |1007 shots | 15.69 Shooting% | 242 blocks | 218 giveaways | 270 takeaways | 52% faceoff win rate over 3651 draws
---------Eichel: 286gp w/ 19:50 ATOI | 101g 158a 259p | 1036 shots |9.75 Shooting% |146 blocks | 232 giveaways | 157 takeaways | 42% faceoff win rate over 3882 draws

At 5v5:
---Matthews (16-20): 282gp w/ 15:32 ATOI | 113g 77a 190p |762 shots | 14.83 Shooting% | 225 blocks | 192 giveaways | 254 takeaways | 51.6% faceoff win rate over 3370 draws
---------Eichel (15-19): 286gp w/ 15:28 ATOI | 59g 85a 144p | 735 shots | 8.03 Shooting% |134 blocks | 232 giveaways | 137 takeaways | 42% faceoff win rate over 3480 draws

I could literally add in a WHOLE ASS SEASON for eichel, and he STILL wouldn't have as many goals as Matthews lmfao, in like 78 more games

Eichel has been playing good defense all things considered.

While Matthews is the better goal scorer, Eichel is the better playmaker and the better all round center IMO.

We obviously aren't going to come to an agreement so picture Matthews ahead of Eichel if that makes you happy.

I added him to my ignore list lol

no but like we're not talking "better goal scorer, e.g. 5-10 more goals" Matthews is literally the best goal scorer in the NHL. He nearly won the Maurice Richard in his rookie season. That fact alone makes him top 5 imo. He's literally a beast, and he just turned 23

Me personally no. But if somebody wanted to throw ONE of them at 10 I wouldn’t have a conniption but I definitely wouldn’t.

Ohh sh**t. U lost me on that crazy talk there. I was with u up until that crazy Toronto talk..lol. Best goal scorer in the league..ouch. I bet Ovi has something to say about that!! Deep down, be honest, u don’t really believe that now..do u?!

Go back and look at my list..very earlier on, I mention them all!!

I mean, in goals per 60 since 16-17 Matthews is #1. You look at total goals scored since then, Matthews is 2nd with 282GP, all the other guys in the top 10 are over 300, the highest being Kane with 315GP

Go according to 5v5 and Matthews is first by quite a bit, with McDavid and Ovi coming in distant 2nd

Idk how many 40-50 goal seasons ovi has left in him, and Matthews looks like he's a lock for 50 every year at this point (if he plays a full 82), he's scored at a 40-45 goal pace every single year and he just turned 23. The guy has 60 goals in him by the time he hits his prime

It is 1000% true that at on 5v5 Matthews is bar none the best goal scorer, he's first by a mile and he's still SO young compared to some of these other older guys (Kane, Ovi etc.)

It's only when you count PP time that Pasta and Draisaitl can keep it competitive as time goes on, but I don't think it's out of the question to say he's totally in consideration for the Richard trophy every single season. He's in a very exclusive club of guys with his goal scoring ability (ovi, pasta, laine one day maybe etc.)

Also, all those guys are wingers, the fact that he's a defensively responsible centre (more on-ice responsibility) who puts up the numbers that he does is extremely impressive and worth considering

Okay. The last 3 seasons. Lmao, hockeybis more than goals. Dont be so daft. Last year hockey's two way game was much better than Matthews.

As I stated, and has been backed by every one not in Toronto. Only in Toronto is Matthews better than eichel. Get over it.

Take away his goals, he generates more offense (for his teammates as well), more blocks, less giveaways, more takeaways, is better in the faceoff dot. What more do you want from a centre?

Like I'm genuinely asking, what category is Eichel better in than Matthews? Eichel is an absolutely fantastic player who's being wasted in Buffalo, but like, objectively, these stats show a player who is inferior to matthews in basically every trackable stat. Corsi, Fenwick, hits, expected goals, penalties taken/drawn. Eichel has more assists, but for every assist Matthews doesn't get, he scores a goal, so is that really important? He leads all these stats with less ice time btw, 19:30 vs. about 22:00 if we go just by last season

Come on, Matthews is a lock for 50 goals a season..?? He hasn’t even scored 50 in a season yet!! He’s not a 50 goal scorer until he does it..sorry, Matthews is not a 50 goal scorer..not until he does it atleast once, just facts!! U can say whatever u want about stats per 60. Or what he would have scored in a full season. Guess what, he didn’t. Ovi scored 50 in 18-19.

He scored 40 in his rookie season, scored on pace for 45 the next year, 45 the year after that, and was on pace for 55 this year. He missed games, that's why he didn't hit 50. The same goes for other players too, if they're scoring on a 50+ goal pace and miss 10 games in the year and come like 2 shy of 50, they are effectively 50 goal scorers, like Pasta/Draisaitl, ofc they're gonna hit 50 in their career as well

Even if we don't project at all, just go by RAW goal totals, Ovi is the only guy who has scored more since Matthews has entered the league, and Matthews is #1 in that category 5v5, because he didn't get as much PP time. That's not projection, that's just the stats. And he's younger than every single other guy on the list (either by 1-2 years or by more)

Great, all that means is never had 50 in a season. Just different ways to say it. You’re trying to win a argument with Symantec’s. Facts are. He never scored 50 goals in a season. Facts are. He isn’t a 50p goal scorer until he does it. Goals per 60, on pace..blah, blah, blah, never scored 50 goals in a season!! Fact !!

Could break his leg tomorrow. Never was a 50 goal
Scorer. On pace, potential means nothing until they do. I can’t dispute potential. It’s an opinion!! I’m using stats and facts!!

Idk man, 47 goals in 70 games is basically a 50 goal season, same with Pasta and Ovi getting 48 in 68-70 games. To pretend like those guys were gonna suddenly drop everything and not pop in an extra few goals in 12 games is crazy imo lol. I get it, it's projection... but like... cmon haha

Great!! I love to see your taxes!! 47 and 50 are the same thing!! 47 goals in 70 is the same as 50 in a season..ahh sorry, no it’s not!!

Not a 50 goal scorer. No matter how u say it..sorry!!

I will archive this thread and come back here when Matthews scores 60

jk, you make a fair point

What’s if he tears his Achilles?? Projection, potential, points per 60, blah, blah, blah. Potential is a opinion!! It’s not a fact!! And can’t be disputed. Guentzel is a 50 goal scorer. Was on pace last year. He would have gotten there!! Talk to a mathematician and tell them 47 is the same as 50.