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Kuemper Kessel 4th - Nino Dzing Reimer 2nd

Team: 2020-21 Arizona Coyotes
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 22, 2020
Published: Nov. 22, 2020
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*EDITED* -----> Upped the ante by changing the 2nd rounder to a 1st rounder
*EDITED AGAIN* -----> Upped the ante by adding Geekie


Kessel waives NTC/NMC because he'll see that he has a chance at another cup and top line minutes on Carolina

Why Arizona benefits:
This strengthens their FWD depth, we learned from the Hall/Kessel experiment that having top end talent doesn't benefit their system as much as just having solid forwards would so I think this move makes more sense.

Their goaltending situation is still solid, as much as having two high end goalies is an excellent tandem, there is nothing wrong with having a high end #1 + a vet backup that can hold a .914 and can step in during injuries if need be

They recoup some lost assets (2nd rounder) from screwups

Why Carolina benefits:
I believe Kessel's numbers last year were an indication of the system he was playing in, not a decline, he can still pot 'em in a supporting role to guys like Aho, Svech, etc + his cup experience can help inform/mentor the rest of the canes, him and Staal can share stories of winning the cup with Crosby

Carolina's goaltending tandem becomes very strong, if Kuemper gets hurt, Mrazek can easily step in

Carolina still gets an asset of sorts in the 2021 draft

*Lines based off of DailyFaceoff lines + PK minutes looked up on NHL.com*
Trades
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  1. Kessel, Phil
  2. Kuemper, Darcy
  3. 2021 4th round pick (PIT)
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2021
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2022
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2023
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23$81,500,000$78,080,284$196,951$1,750,000$3,419,716

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$775,000$775,000
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UFA - 1
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
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UFA - 1
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UFA - 1
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$5,250,000$5,250,000
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UFA - 2
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$1,750,000$2M)
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
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UFA - 2
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$1,750,000$1,750,000
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$750,000$750,000
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UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
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UFA - 1
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$5,475,000$5,475,000
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UFA - 1
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UFA - 5
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$4,250,000$4,250,000
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UFA - 1
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
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UFA - 1
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
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UFA - 1
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Nov. 22, 2020 at 4:27 p.m.
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I can't see that interesting ARI in the slightest -- they could get a 1st+ for Keumper alone from the right team and instead they get a couple of middle 6/3rd line forwards that had poor seasons, a goalie they don't need, and a 2nd. They could probably flip Dzingel + Reimer at the deadline, but it just seems like you're selling very low on Keumper.
Nov. 22, 2020 at 4:28 p.m.
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I don’t like this for Arizona. You also referred to raanta as a high end #1 I don’t know about that one. I don’t think it does anything for their team tbh and probably makes them worse.
Nov. 22, 2020 at 5:02 p.m.
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Thats a pretty bad deal for Arizona, Kessel isnt waiving anyways
Nov. 22, 2020 at 5:12 p.m.
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Quoting: villenash
I can't see that interesting ARI in the slightest -- they could get a 1st+ for Keumper alone from the right team and instead they get a couple of middle 6/3rd line forwards that had poor seasons, a goalie they don't need, and a 2nd. They could probably flip Dzingel + Reimer at the deadline, but it just seems like you're selling very low on Keumper.


Yeah I see that, I don't meant to sell low on Kuemper especially after watching him steal a game against the Avs last playoffs. I upped the 2nd to a 1st. I think Arizona 's system is more inhibitory on Kessel than a Dzingel or Nino. Even though they had lower seasons last year compared to usual, I think you can get high 30s / low 40s of points out of those two which is similar to what Kessel would get.

I don't believe the whole "well if Kessel can only get 40something pts on Ari and he's Kessel why would you be able to expect those numbers from Dzingel / Nino" because again, Kessel's high flying game is inhibited by Arizona's system where as the other two don't play much like that so the system won't inhibit them as much. If you walk away with both of those guys getting 35 pts, you're still on top over one guy getting 40-50.

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I don’t like this for Arizona. You also referred to raanta as a high end #1 I don’t know about that one. I don’t think it does anything for their team tbh and probably makes them worse.


He was painted so hard as high end last year in a tandem with Kuemper so maybe some of that rubbed off in my mind, but after looking at his stats, the man is over .920 way more often than he's under that. I don't equate high end with elite and think he's more than just regular starter. I put him in the same boat as Grubauer, Andersen or Markstrom. Not a Vasilevskiy or Hellebuyck elite type but not a Koskinen or Mrazek bare minimum starter either.

I think this team has better depth and is stronger overall because a Dzingel/Nino type player has a better chance to strive over a Kessel in ARI. Schmaltz, Garland and Keller perform on this team better than Kessel did so it's not like they lost their top scorer. I think between those two players, Kessel's 14 goals will more than compensated for.
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Nov. 22, 2020 at 5:19 p.m.
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Updated again! Added Geekie going to Arizona
Nov. 22, 2020 at 5:21 p.m.
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Thats a pretty bad deal for Arizona, Kessel isnt waiving anyways


He would have a better chance at winning on Arizona? Or he's just sick of moving?
Nov. 22, 2020 at 5:24 p.m.
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Edited Nov. 22, 2020 at 5:38 p.m.
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Yeah I see that, I don't meant to sell low on Kuemper especially after watching him steal a game against the Avs last playoffs. I upped the 2nd to a 1st. I think Arizona 's system is more inhibitory on Kessel than a Dzingel or Nino. Even though they had lower seasons last year compared to usual, I think you can get high 30s / low 40s of points out of those two which is similar to what Kessel would get.

I don't believe the whole "well if Kessel can only get 40something pts on Ari and he's Kessel why would you be able to expect those numbers from Dzingel / Nino" because again, Kessel's high flying game is inhibited by Arizona's system where as the other two don't play much like that so the system won't inhibit them as much. If you walk away with both of those guys getting 35 pts, you're still on top over one guy getting 40-50.



He was painted so hard as high end last year in a tandem with Kuemper so maybe some of that rubbed off in my mind, but after looking at his stats, the man is over .920 way more often than he's under that. I don't equate high end with elite and think he's more than just regular starter. I put him in the same boat as Grubauer, Andersen or Markstrom. Not a Vasilevskiy or Hellebuyck elite type but not a Koskinen or Mrazek bare minimum starter either.

I think this team has better depth and is stronger overall because a Dzingel/Nino type player has a better chance to strive over a Kessel in ARI. Schmaltz, Garland and Keller perform on this team better than Kessel did so it's not like they lost their top scorer. I think between those two players, Kessel's 14 goals will more than compensated for.


Raanta obviously has good stats, however he does play for a more defensive Arizona team. The thing is he has never been a starter. I don’t think it’s fair to call him a high end #1 if he has never even be a number 1. He should be compared to other backups not starters that have started 60 games (Anderson and Markstrom).

I think the updated trade is a lot more even.
Nov. 22, 2020 at 5:51 p.m.
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He would have a better chance at winning on Arizona? Or he's just sick of moving?


I think he just plans to retire in Arizona, he already has 2 cups
Nov. 22, 2020 at 6:16 p.m.
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Yeah I see that, I don't meant to sell low on Kuemper especially after watching him steal a game against the Avs last playoffs. I upped the 2nd to a 1st. I think Arizona 's system is more inhibitory on Kessel than a Dzingel or Nino. Even though they had lower seasons last year compared to usual, I think you can get high 30s / low 40s of points out of those two which is similar to what Kessel would get.

I don't believe the whole "well if Kessel can only get 40something pts on Ari and he's Kessel why would you be able to expect those numbers from Dzingel / Nino" because again, Kessel's high flying game is inhibited by Arizona's system where as the other two don't play much like that so the system won't inhibit them as much. If you walk away with both of those guys getting 35 pts, you're still on top over one guy getting 40-50. .


I like the changes you made. I think that is a more realistic target for ARI if they're trading Keumper. I agree that I think Kessel would do much better playing with Aho/Teuvo/Svech/Trochek than Stepan/Schmaltz/etc.

The bonus for ARI is that they have two more guys they can trade at the deadline to pick up some additional draft picks in Dzingle and Reimer. So let's just say they get two more 3rds for both of those guys, that's not a bad deal for them with where they are right now.
 
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