Ok, that's fair. But they did not have as good of adds as other teams.

Ya, exactly. You showed him haha.

agreed

That's why I looked at P/GP: it takes the injury issue right out. The numbers I posted show that the Leafs had a top-3 offense last year - and maybe next year too - so I'm not sure why you are bringing Toronto up. But the numbers I posted also show Edmonton having a significantly better and deeper offense next year. What happened? During the offseason (which isn't over yet, so maybe this is premature), the Leafs traded two of their better middle-6 wingers and brought in older, slower, less productive players. The Leafs offense - while still near the top of the league - got worse. The Oilers, on the other hand, seem to have improved their offensive depth immensely, to the point where it appears to be the best in the league.

Edmonton's top-6 is better offensively and their 7/8/9 players are better too. Toronto is likely still a top-5 team for offense, I've never said otherwise.

Showed me what? That the Leafs were a top-3 offensive team last year? I knew that already and never claimed otherwise. Duh.

The very definition of cherry picking. LMAO.

That chart says the 11 and 17 for goals for in 2019-20. My apologies about the leafs. Glad you admit it.

Umm, how? It’s acknowledging that while the oilers have a great 7-8-9, they don’t have a good 4-5-6 (Yamamoto is unproven).

Only Detroit, New Jersey, Buffalo and Colorado added more talent this offseason.

https://theathletic.com/2149930/2020/10/21/nhl-offseason-by-the-numbers-which-teams-have-improved-the-most-and-least/

The article was written before the Kahun signing. Kahun is rated at +1.0 wins.

Nugent-Hopkins is their #4. The topic was scoring depth, hence the reference to their 7/8/9 forwards. Now you're picking out #5/6? That's cherry picking.

If you want to talk about lines, know that the 2019 Hart and Art Ross winner centers that second line.

I apologize. My fellow Leaf fans should not be chirping other teams about forward depth. Some ACGMs here have Thornton at 3C 🤷🏻‍♂️
As for the rankings, the only expectation I have is OTT in last place. Nothing else will surprise me.

I agree with you on the rankings. While I think the leafs will win it, I would not be surprised to see another team take home first. Except Ottawa, but even them I'm not guarenteeing they place last. But what? Toronto has some of the best forward depth in the league. Toronto has every right to chirp forward depth. Most ACGM's have Kerfoot as 3c. I mean, the leafs are the only team with 4 elite forwards, but then they have Hyman and Mikheyev and Kerfoot. Then Thornton, Spezza, and Simmonds, Robertson, etc.

Oh, wonderful evidence of what you say. An article I can't read. No, it's not cherry picking. I'm pointing out the oilers don't have good depth, as in linemates for their 2 superstars. I guess I should have specified.



Ok, and you have no linemates for McDavid when you do that. My point. My bad, I should have specified what I meant.

EDM has a better top 6 and better 789 yet the leafs still scored more?

Quit being a suck and sign up for the free trial.


You should check out the lines before making absurd statements:

Nugent-Hopkins + McDavid + Kassian = 3.04 P/PG
Kahun + Draisaitl + Yamamoto = 3.06

That's two 1st lines.

Uh... Leafs scored more LAST YEAR. Edmonton has better top-6 and depth NEXT YEAR. I'm not sure what's so hard about this, really.

well, that's projection, we'll have to see how it works out

the leafs are getting a healthy rielly, tavares, marner, hyman, kerfoot and mikheyev (which they didn't have last year)

They added vesey who will completely replace kapanen's 10-15 goals, Johnsson had like 8 goals which can easily be replaced by Barabanov/Simmonds, Spezza is back, clifford basically didn't score at all.

If the leafs were ALREADY 3rd in scoring, it's hard to see how they won't get even better.

Is Yamomoto really going to replicate a point per game? Probably not.


I beg to differ. The oilers only have 2 elite forwards (I don't need to specify lol), with one very good one (RNH) and one also very good but currently unproven one (Yama).

Leafs on the other hand have 4 elite forwards, and one very good one (Hyman).



Exactly.

Leafs fan putting Hyman in the same category as Nugent-Hopkins. Checks out.

Nuge scored 22 goals and 61 points in 65 games this season. Hyman scored 21 goals and 37 points in 51 games. So no, they are not on the same level, my bad (I didn't mean to say it that way, I realize RNH is better). But Hyman is not too far behind, and he's an excellent defensive and pyshical player. Yes, of course I'd be stupid to actually consider Hyman to be better than Nugent Hopkins, but the difference is not as big as most people think.

Hyman is closer to Kassian IMO.

He’s significantly better, but they are similar in many ways I agree.