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Bad contract swap

Created by: deys3232
Team: 2020-21 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 7, 2020
Published: Dec. 7, 2020
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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Lucic comes in as a mentor for the young-ish team. Good veteran to have in the playoffs. Not awful for 4.3 million

Johnson is holding up a spot for Timmins, and soon Byram. Trading him opens up a spot on the right side.

Rutta can be replaced by any league min defenseman
Free Agent Signings
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$900,000
Trades
COL
  1. Lucic, Milan ($925,000 retained)
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (CGY)
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2021
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2022
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2023
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$79,026,387$0$2,500,000$2,473,613

Roster

Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$5,571,429$5,571,429
LW, C
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$6,300,000$6,300,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$9,250,000$9,250,000
RW, C
UFA - 5
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$4,900,000$4,900,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$4,500,000$4,500,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$2,500,000$2,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$3,500,000$3,500,000
C, RW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$3,900,000$3,900,000
RW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$874,125$874,125
C
UFA - 1
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$1,800,000$1,800,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$4,325,000$4,325,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$3,166,667$3,166,667
LD
UFA - 3
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$880,833$880,833 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$3,333,333$3,333,333
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$4,100,000$4,100,000
LD
UFA - 4
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$3,450,000$3,450,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$2,000,000$2,000,000
G
UFA - 2
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 7
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$925,000$925,000
RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$2,850,000$2,850,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$900,000$900,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2

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Dec. 8, 2020 at 11:53 a.m.
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Quoting: Xqb15a
Bro you’re just wrong. If Johnson doesn’t waive he gets bought out so they can protect Toews. Seriously that you even don’t get the fact that guys that get 7yr deals that just started are core members of a franchise held in significantly higher regard than guys that get 4 yr deals just blows my mind. Good luck.


Mike Matheson also got a 7 year deal. Was he a core member of the Panthers?
What about Josh Anderson?

Those are 2 recent examples, theres way more non-core players that get long term deals
Dec. 8, 2020 at 12:08 p.m.
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Mike Matheson also got a 7 year deal. Was he a core member of the Panthers?
What about Josh Anderson?

Those are 2 recent examples, theres way more non-core players that get long term deals


Seriously are you mental? Anderson was traded THEN signed a 7 yr deal. Matheson was traded after 2 yrs and before his NMC kicked in by a franchise that has an ownership mandate to cut payroll. You are grasping at straws trying to win an argument that you are wrong about and just want to argue. But go ahead tell me what other little factoid you want to have me disprove.
Dec. 8, 2020 at 12:33 p.m.
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Seriously are you mental? Anderson was traded THEN signed a 7 yr deal. Matheson was traded after 2 yrs and before his NMC kicked in by a franchise that has an ownership mandate to cut payroll. You are grasping at straws trying to win an argument that you are wrong about and just want to argue. But go ahead tell me what other little factoid you want to have me disprove.


Both guys signed 7 year deals with their team. That was your arguement for telling me that Girard is more valuable that Toews
Dec. 8, 2020 at 2:13 p.m.
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Both guys signed 7 year deals with their team. That was your arguement for telling me that Girard is more valuable that Toews

Anderson signed with MTL AFTER being traded there. I just explained why Matheson was traded. Did I say he could never be traded? No. I also said show the numbers demonstrating Toews at 100 less NHL games, being better. I’m trying to keep it simple for you. Girard is younger, more experienced, on a longer contract, and better. I said show me how Toews is better and yet you don’t. Forget about the fact Girard avg more ice time on a better team. Don’t bother responding you can’t see the obvious.
Dec. 8, 2020 at 2:18 p.m.
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Anderson signed with MTL AFTER being traded there. I just explained why Matheson was traded. Did I say he could never be traded? No. I also said show the numbers demonstrating Toews at 100 less NHL games, being better. I’m trying to keep it simple for you. Girard is younger, more experienced, on a longer contract, and better. I said show me how Toews is better and yet you don’t. Forget about the fact Girard avg more ice time on a better team. Don’t bother responding you can’t see the obvious.


... I just showed you both of their number in the most recent NHL season. Toews demolishes Girard everywhere. Just because Girard is younger and makes more doesnt mean he is better.

Toews has a higher career xWAR in about 100 less games and in less ice time
Dec. 8, 2020 at 2:44 p.m.
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... I just showed you both of their number in the most recent NHL season. Toews demolishes Girard everywhere. Just because Girard is younger and makes more doesnt mean he is better.

Toews has a higher career xWAR in about 100 less games and in less ice time


Playing in a defensive 1st system of Barry Trotz, but hey you go with that. In fact tell me how xWAR is calculated or which model basis you used and I might agree with you. And while we could argue WAR as a stat in hockey Vs it’s origins in baseball, and how it translates to a transition team vs a defensive first team. We will circle around to the original pt, COL WOULD protect Girard over Toews in the expansion draft. Even in the event that Toews was marginally better (he is not), you actually think the Avs are going to expose a 22yr old top 4 dman signed for the next 7 years on team friendly deal, over a 27yr old dman with a season and a half of experience signed for the next 4 years? Toews would have to be SIGNIFICANTLY better (which he is not) than Girard to make your point true. But AGAIN it won’t matter because both will be protected.
Dec. 8, 2020 at 2:52 p.m.
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Playing in a defensive 1st system of Barry Trotz, but hey you go with that. In fact tell me how xWAR is calculated or which model basis you used and I might agree with you. And while we could argue WAR as a stat in hockey Vs it’s origins in baseball, and how it translates to a transition team vs a defensive first team. We will circle around to the original pt, COL WOULD protect Girard over Toews in the expansion draft. Even in the event that Toews was marginally better (he is not), you actually think the Avs are going to expose a 22yr old top 4 dman signed for the next 7 years on team friendly deal, over a 27yr old dman with a season and a half of experience signed for the next 4 years? Toews would have to be SIGNIFICANTLY better (which he is not) than Girard to make your point true. But AGAIN it won’t matter because both will be protected.


It'll take me forever to explain it here, so just read this article written by the EvolvingHockey brothers

Part 1: https://hockey-graphs.com/2019/01/16/wins-above-replacement-history-philosophy-and-objectives-part-1/
Part 2: https://hockey-graphs.com/2019/01/17/wins-above-replacement-the-process-part-2/
Part 3: https://hockey-graphs.com/2019/01/18/wins-above-replacement-replacement-level-decisions-results-and-final-remarks-part-3/
Dec. 8, 2020 at 2:59 p.m.
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Playing in a defensive 1st system of Barry Trotz, but hey you go with that. In fact tell me how xWAR is calculated or which model basis you used and I might agree with you. And while we could argue WAR as a stat in hockey Vs it’s origins in baseball, and how it translates to a transition team vs a defensive first team. We will circle around to the original pt, COL WOULD protect Girard over Toews in the expansion draft. Even in the event that Toews was marginally better (he is not), you actually think the Avs are going to expose a 22yr old top 4 dman signed for the next 7 years on team friendly deal, over a 27yr old dman with a season and a half of experience signed for the next 4 years? Toews would have to be SIGNIFICANTLY better (which he is not) than Girard to make your point true. But AGAIN it won’t matter because both will be protected.


Coaching isolates rank trotz system 18th defensively.
 
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