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Team: 2021-22 Tampa Bay Lightning
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    Jan. 6, 2021 at 11:39 a.m.
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    Quoting: CD282
    Not so. Nugent-Hopkins plays with McDavid now, I've told you this already in this thread. The most likely lines are

    Nugent-Hopkins - McDavid - Kassian
    Kahun - Draisaitl - Yamamoto

    Here are all 5 wingers (the 4 above + Palat) and their 5v5 P/60 last year:

    Yamamoto: 3.16
    Kahun: 2.43
    Nugent-Hopkins: 2.23
    Kassian: 2.21
    Palat: 1.84

    Same 5 guys by 5v5 G/60:

    Kassian: 1.03
    Yamamoto: 1.00
    Nugent-Hopkins: 0.98
    Kahun: 0.90
    Palat: 0.72

    I'm 100% sure the Oilers have no interest in paying $5.3M and a first round pick for a DOWNGRADE in the form of a 30-year-old rental winger.


    Kaduna is 100% carried by mcjesues put palat there and I promise you palat does wat better
    Jan. 6, 2021 at 11:40 a.m.
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    Quoting: aedoran
    Mcdonagh's leadership isn't worth Berggren and taking on a extra $6.75M in cap for the next 6 seasons. Berggren is one of Detroit's best prospects easily in their top 5.


    Mcdonagh has 5 years left and detriot will not be pressed against the cap at any time within the next 10 years so a second plus mcdonagh for leadership and a 1st could easily get berggren who is good but you are severely overrating him
    Jan. 6, 2021 at 12:06 p.m.
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    Kaduna is 100% carried by mcjesues put palat there and I promise you palat does wat better



    Kahun? He has never played with McDavid - not even in practice.

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    Jan. 6, 2021 at 12:23 p.m.
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    Quoting: Bigboi69
    Mcdonagh has 5 years left and detriot will not be pressed against the cap at any time within the next 10 years so a second plus mcdonagh for leadership and a 1st could easily get berggren who is good but you are severely overrating him

    Rebuilding teams don’t trade promising prospects for more futures. This logic just keeps pushing off being competitive. If you want Detroit take Ryan then attach picks for future considerations or a late round pick (this isn’t factoring his NTC).

    Berggren was drafted 33 overall and he’s only improved his stock going PPG in the SHL. Injuries has hindered him but he looks great offensively and has top 6 upside. Detroit’s fan base is high on him for obvious reasons and let’s not get into overrating as every fan base does it including yours.
    Jan. 6, 2021 at 12:42 p.m.
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    Quoting: CD282
    Kahun? He has never played with McDavid - not even in practice.

    tears of joy


    Looool that was my bad I meant to say kassian
    Jan. 6, 2021 at 12:43 p.m.
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    Quoting: BStinson
    Rebuilding teams don’t trade promising prospects for more futures. This logic just keeps pushing off being competitive. If you want Detroit take Ryan then attach picks for future considerations or a late round pick (this isn’t factoring his NTC).

    Berggren was drafted 33 overall and he’s only improved his stock going PPG in the SHL. Injuries has hindered him but he looks great offensively and has top 6 upside. Detroit’s fan base is high on him for obvious reasons and let’s not get into overrating as every fan base does it including yours.


    I’m high on him too but to say he’s a top 6 prospect in detriot spool is wrong
    Jan. 6, 2021 at 1:23 p.m.
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    Quoting: Bigboi69
    I’m high on him too but to say he’s a top 6 prospect in detriot spool is wrong


    I said top 6 upside which isn’t wrong. People’s top 6 prospect listing is subjective and I could easily see him in the majority of listings.
    Jan. 6, 2021 at 2:08 p.m.
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    Quoting: Bigboi69
    You do realize players can play both sides right, palat showed that in the playoffs by switching wings with kucherov multiple times


    So rw where the oilers have jp yam kass chiasson archie? Left out Neal even tho he prefers to be on the right side but has been on the left because already too many bodies for the right side.
    Jan. 7, 2021 at 8:43 a.m.
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    Montreal rejects
    Jan. 7, 2021 at 12:55 p.m.
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    Quoting: Timmah007
    So rw where the oilers have jp yam kass chiasson archie? Left out Neal even tho he prefers to be on the right side but has been on the left because already too many bodies for the right side.


    All of those players you listed are not 1st line caliber palat is 1st line caliber
    Jan. 8, 2021 at 6:55 a.m.
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    Quoting: Bigboi69
    All of those players you listed are not 1st line caliber palat is 1st line caliber


    Idk about that mcdavid did finish second overall in points last season with kass there. Jp has had very encouraging numbers next to mcdavid in the past admit very short sample size. Part of him resigning I’m sure hinged on a shot in the top six. Aside from that this also creates an expansion draft complication as the team is already full on protection slots also can’t afford him with the cap situation in Edmonton. It’s just not a trade oilers would have any interest in.
    Jan. 8, 2021 at 9:19 a.m.
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    Quoting: Timmah007
    Idk about that mcdavid did finish second overall in points last season with kass there. Jp has had very encouraging numbers next to mcdavid in the past admit very short sample size. Part of him resigning I’m sure hinged on a shot in the top six. Aside from that this also creates an expansion draft complication as the team is already full on protection slots also can’t afford him with the cap situation in Edmonton. It’s just not a trade oilers would have any interest in.

    This is for TDL next year it’s long after expansion draft
    Jan. 8, 2021 at 9:42 a.m.
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    Quoting: Timmah007
    So rw where the oilers have jp yam kass chiasson archie? Left out Neal even tho he prefers to be on the right side but has been on the left because already too many bodies for the right side.


    Quoting: Bigboi69
    All of those players you listed are not 1st line caliber palat is 1st line caliber


    No he isn't. I already pointed this out to you but you're too clouded by your bias to understand basic numbers.

    The top-93 forwards in the NHL (1st liners) scored 0.69 P/G or more last year. Here are the Oilers top-6 wingers and Palat:

    Yamamoto: 0.96
    Nugent-Hopkins: 0.94
    Palat: 0.59
    Kassian: 0.58
    Kahun: 0.55

    http://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?reportType=season&seasonFrom=20192020&seasonTo=20192020&gameType=2&position=F&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,10&sort=pointsPerGame&page=0&pageSize=100

    The top-93 forwards in the NHL (1st liners) scored 1.99 P/60 or more last year. Here are the Oilers top-6 wingers and Palat:

    Yamamoto: 3.16
    Kahun: 2.43
    Nugent-Hopkins: 2.23
    Kassian: 2.21
    Palat: 1.84

    http://naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20192020&thruseason=20192020&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=std&rate=y&team=ALL&pos=F&loc=B&toi=400&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL

    NOT a 1st liner offensively DISPITE HIS MOST COMMON LINEMATES BEING POINT, KUCHEROV, HEDMAN AND SERGACHEV.

    http://naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?fromseason=20192020&thruseason=20192020&stype=2&sit=5v5&stdoi=std&rate=n&v=t&playerid=8476292
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    Jan. 8, 2021 at 11:03 a.m.
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    Quoting: Bigboi69
    Mcdonagh has 5 years left and detriot will not be pressed against the cap at any time within the next 10 years so a second plus mcdonagh for leadership and a 1st could easily get berggren who is good but you are severely overrating him


    Just because Detroit has cap space doesn't mean they're in a hurry to spend it. McDonagh's contact will, in all likelihood, be an absolute anchor for the last few years of it, which is exactly what a rebuilding team like Detroit will be wanting to avoid. They'll be trying to compete around that time, and having that contract will be have an extremely negative impact on their cap situation.

    Also worth considering, Detroit's blueliner average age is over 28. They don't need leadership, they need elite talent. We could argue McDonagh's elite status all day, but Detroit needs high draft picks, not a good defenseman already over 30 and due to start declining any time now.
    McDonagh doesn't help the Wings in the short term or the long term because of where they are at and the direction of the team. A late 1st several years from now doesn't come close to offsetting the negative value that McDonagh's contract would have to a rebuilding team. Plus, you want a good prospect that's currently lighting up the SHL, from a team that needs picks and quality prospects over anything? No chance they make a deal like that.
    Jan. 10, 2021 at 6:43 p.m.
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    Quoting: CD282
    No he isn't. I already pointed this out to you but you're too clouded by your bias to understand basic numbers.

    The top-93 forwards in the NHL (1st liners) scored 0.69 P/G or more last year. Here are the Oilers top-6 wingers and Palat:

    Yamamoto: 0.96
    Nugent-Hopkins: 0.94
    Palat: 0.59
    Kassian: 0.58
    Kahun: 0.55

    http://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?reportType=season&seasonFrom=20192020&seasonTo=20192020&gameType=2&position=F&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,10&sort=pointsPerGame&page=0&pageSize=100

    The top-93 forwards in the NHL (1st liners) scored 1.99 P/60 or more last year. Here are the Oilers top-6 wingers and Palat:

    Yamamoto: 3.16
    Kahun: 2.43
    Nugent-Hopkins: 2.23
    Kassian: 2.21
    Palat: 1.84

    http://naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20192020&thruseason=20192020&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=std&rate=y&team=ALL&pos=F&loc=B&toi=400&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL

    NOT a 1st liner offensively DISPITE HIS MOST COMMON LINEMATES BEING POINT, KUCHEROV, HEDMAN AND SERGACHEV.

    http://naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?fromseason=20192020&thruseason=20192020&stype=2&sit=5v5&stdoi=std&rate=n&v=t&playerid=8476292


    Look at his playoff production, he played second line for 90% of season and didn’t play 1st till playoffs where he was second in goals out of all skaters
    Jan. 11, 2021 at 11:28 a.m.
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    Quoting: Bigboi69
    Look at his playoff production, he played second line for 90% of season and didn’t play 1st till playoffs where he was second in goals out of all skaters


    Once again, the facts escape you. Palat's most common linemates for the entirety of the 2019-20 regular season were, in order: Point, Kucherov, Hedman and Sergachev. He didn't play "second line for 90% of season" as you stated.
    Jan. 11, 2021 at 1:42 p.m.
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    Montreal doesn't have the cap for Gourde and unless there's a 1st + coming back, we have no interest.
    Jan. 12, 2021 at 9:05 a.m.
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    Once again, the facts escape you. Palat's most common linemates for the entirety of the 2019-20 regular season were, in order: Point, Kucherov, Hedman and Sergachev. He didn't play "second line for 90% of season" as you stated.


    That is false palats most common line mates where in order, Johnson,point, cirelli, kucherov
    Jan. 12, 2021 at 9:31 a.m.
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    That is false palats most common line mates where in order, Johnson,point, cirelli, kucherov


    LOL, that's a flat-out lie.

    1. Point: 476:43
    2. Kucherov: 417:45
    3. Hedman: 335:34
    4. Sergachev: 322:10
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    6.
    7. Johnson: 269:19
    8. Cirelli: 249:34

    http://naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?fromseason=20192020&thruseason=20192020&stype=2&sit=5v5&stdoi=oi&rate=n&v=t&playerid=8476292
    Jan. 12, 2021 at 9:32 a.m.
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    Quoting: CD282
    LOL, that's a flat-out lie.

    1. Point: 476:43
    2. Kucherov: 417:45
    3. Hedman: 335:34
    4. Sergachev: 322:10
    5.
    6.
    7. Johnson: 269:19
    8. Cirelli: 249:34

    http://naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?fromseason=20192020&thruseason=20192020&stype=2&sit=5v5&stdoi=oi&rate=n&v=t&playerid=8476292


    https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/frozenpool_depthchart.php?team=T.B
    Jan. 12, 2021 at 9:45 a.m.
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    https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/frozenpool_depthchart.php?team=T.B


    Nothing there proves your point. I posted the actual numbers right down to the second.

    So my point is established: Palat doesn't score at a first line rates despite playing with some of the league's best offensive players, he isn't worth $5.3M x 2 with a flat cap and he certainly isn't bringing back a 1st round pick in a trade.

    End of story.

    Goodbye.
    Jan. 12, 2021 at 9:46 a.m.
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    Quoting: CD282
    Nothing there proves your point. I posted the actual numbers right down to the second.

    So my point is established: Palat doesn't score at a first line rates despite playing with some of the league's best offensive players, he isn't worth $5.3M x 2 with a flat cap and he certainly isn't bringing back a 1st round pick in a trade.

    End of story.

    Goodbye.


    Did you forget the part where this is next year and it’s a TDL so its an expiring contract?
     
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