But I was told Bennett is worth a top 6 c!

How about no, we arent trading Bennett for a freaking 5th

you aren't resigning him for 2.5+ million either. Those some damn facts.
Which means he's a FA at the end of the year. So you got a guy who isn't playing well, who's gonna be a free agent at the end of the year. WTF you think he's worth? You aren't gonna get anything near what you think you will from him. No one pays for rentals who are struggling.

You from the future? How do you know what's going to happen. He actually is playing well on the Gaudreau line, or at 3C when Monahan was out. Flames have no issue keeping him if you aren';t going to make a legitimate offer for a postseason difference maker

post season difference maker....dude ok, you go ahead and spend the 2.5+ mil to qualify him. Be my guest. Hell you know how absurd you sound. Dude has been a 20 point - player his whole career.
Enjoy the over pay.

Sure man, Goodrow has a career high of 24 points and returned a 1st. Your valuation is the only joke here

5th rounder? really? Give me a break... I thought pens fans were at least sensible.

yup sure, and when you are paying roughly 500k less than what a 20 goal guy gets paid, you'll know what a bad deal that was.

You’re both wrong. He should not get paid 2.5 but he is effective in the post season, there’s no reason to move him for a 5th when he can be selected to Seattle this off season he’s an ideal piece to leave exposed and if the playoffs roll around for the Flames he’s too valuable to move for a 5th.
The idea that he can play 3C is a really really bad one, he is something like 39% on draws and can’t play in the defensive zone to save his life, his effectiveness with Monahan and Gaudreau is well overblown because really he’s getting tap in’s off the rush. Bennett cannot sustain zone time and is where pucks go to die, his defensive play is mediocre at best and it’s scary when he gets d zone starts.
His value is probably a little higher than a 5th at a trade deadline but not in the off season but he’s worth more to the Flames in the playoffs than any deal they’ll get for him, won’t see him move this year.

odds CGY makes the playoffs are almost 0.
Seattle isn't taking him for the same reason CGY isn't going to QO him.
He's not worth the QO, that's all there is too it. Like many RFA this summer, who weren't worth their QO in a flat cap world, he'll turn into a UFA.
At least you realize his play sucks. No one is giving up much of anything for a rental with struggling play. People can complain about it all day, but it is what it is.
He's 2.5+ million that could go somewhere else in FA. In a flat cap world that goes much further.
Given the TDL market will be pretty robust I don't think many teams will be in on him. There will be 10 better forwards on the market come trade deadline and less than 10 teams looking.
Guys like Palmieri and Hall for sure. Sutter, Pearson, Stepan, you might see Getzlaf, , maybe Brassard, maybe Iafallo,, Bonino, Granlund, Haula, Ryan, Cogliano,, Eric Staal,.
Hell that's 14 guys right there, not even touching guys like Virtanen who will probably be available.

So yeah, he's not getting much, and he's not worth CGY keeping as he'll walk and everyone knows it. As signing a contract like his current one is bad news for CGY. They are better off brining in new blood with that money.

I mean all the websites and sources that use math, analytics, strength of schedule say about 40% but if you say 0 it has to be zero. A notoriously slow starting team with great goaltending is four points out of third with the team in fourth having 4 loser points, I'm not sure where you are seeing such a steep drop off in the standings. Calgary hasn't even played Ottawa yet. .

Why would Calgary care if he walks or goes to Seattle though? IF they do get into the playoffs he is much more valuable to Calgary than what they would get in a trade this year, if you move him it's just signaling to the fan base and team that you don't expect to compete if you make it to the post season. If you keep him and he walks then it's 2.5 million off your books either way and you can pursue much better options in the off season when all those guys you listed are free agents..

Oh man, Virtanen will probably be available? Sheesh, yeah don't look at Bennett over Virtenen... what a stupid point.

They don't have a 40% chance and you're just chasing numbers there. Both TOR and EDM are gonna take 2 spots. WPG is going to take the 3rd one , and MTL the 4th.

You are basically 1/3 of the way through the season. Teams behind now got a huge hill to climb. It's not 82 games where there is room to make it up.
On top of it, given the quarantine bs teams will have to move early if they are going to move on TDL. So teams will have to admit their reality sooner rather than later.
I don't know why you think they are a playoff team. They aren't. You got 3 space already taken by stronger teams in TOR, EDM and WPG. those are locks at this point. So you got 1 spot left, and MTL is not giving up easy games. 4 of their loses are in OT. Frankly, they have been a better team.
You already played 6 of your games against VAN. Which almost closes out probably the worst team in the division. You've gone what 5-8 or something to the teams above you and one of them was a shootout. That doesn't spell playoffs. It's just not the year to expect playoffs with slow starts. Those are the teams that can't make it up having 20 some games gut form the schedule.

I have no idea if you've watched a game in the North division whatso ever or not..

Right, like I said, this guy on CapFriendly said 0% so disregard every other source of information, they're useless to us now!

Winnipeg is fine, likely better than Edmonton, I'd argue that Winnipeg and Toronto are more locks than Toronto and Edmonton, Montreal just fired a coach and the Oilers are one injury away to either a goalie, a D man or a top two player from being abysmal, they were scary bad when Mike Smith was out and he loves getting hurt. Edmonton is also among bottom 5 in the league in goals against with Detroit, Columbus, Vancouver, Ottawa, they've played 30% of their games against Vancouver and Ottawa and still sit bottom 5 in goals against, how is that your lock for the playoffs? You just look at records and pray?

Montreal has given away 5 points to the worst teams in the division, what do you mean they don't give away easy games? They have regressed to likely the norm, came out of the gates hot and it's balancing out to the team that they really are, deep offense, solid D, great goaltending they weren't going to score at that pace all year and to think they would is delusional at best.

1/3 of the way through and 4 points back of third in a year where every game is a 4 point night... you've got to be kidding about how big that hill to climb is? By your logic the Stars with a .538 win percentage are out, may as well sell, the Flyers are out, burn it down, Blackhawks are a lock for the playoffs... Come on man, you have to at least try create an argument.

dude you can say this same crap about every team. WPG is a core injury from a top 2 player from being.....
come on.
My god you are talking about a team blowing people out so bad they aren't even playing McDavid or Drai in the 3rd period. They are getting like 2-3 minutes of ice time.
But you are over here worried about their stats. EDM is doing exactly what they need to do. They are a lock. How can you even deny that. Those 3 teams are in. Period. There is one spot left in the whole division. It's like saying BOS isn't going to make the playoffs. Of course they are.

As for MTL firing the coach is probably the best thing they can do if you listen to their own fans. And while they lost games to OTT, I don't think you realize how good of a team OTT is. Murray has played better recently for them, and when he does they are dangerous. But you're about to find that out in the next few days. I wouldn't expecting to sleep on them. CGY coughed up 4 points to VAN too. Don't act like it was just MTL doing that and OTT is a harder team.
The point being your easiest games are petty much behind you. Yeah OTT is probably easier than playing say WPG or TOR, but VAN should be the easiest points you face.
You want to gain points but CGY record of all those teams above CGY does not say...gaining points. It says 50/50 at best. Probably less.
and if that's what happens, which is most likely, CGY is done. I wouldn't go expecting huge changes on that happening either. Much like I don't expect BOS to fold.
Even with MTL not playing well recently, they are still keeping pace with you point wise due to them pushing these teams to OT. If CGY isn't gaining points now, when the hell are they going to?

So you'd rather just confirm that you haven't watched the North division?

Winnipeg is a Hellebyuck away, they lose a key part of their offence or defense the pieces are very clearly in place to bridge the gap, Edmonton is not and they fact you think it's the same shows a lot about

You'd rather call the team with the 5th most goals against a lock? What if scoring dries up? They're still allowing teams to score 3 goals a night and it's not cause their goalies aren't playing their best. They're scoring their problems and you've decided they're a lock. That's choosing to be blatantly dumb and I can't fix that for you.

Every game is a four point game this year, that's literally when you see the most movement in the standings but since the season is shorter you've decided that the stands are what the are and a 4 point deficit is way too much to make up.

If Calgary isn't gaining points now when are they going to...? The other 37 games this year... They play up and down to their cometition, they settle against the Canucks and push against the Leafs, having a tougher schedule benefits a team like that and they have put two games together this year where they have played a full 60 minutes... I refuse to believe that you are that dull and that this is your best, I think there is better in there.

almost every team in the whole freaking league is one injury away, how hard is that to figure out?
The only one's that aren't are the ones that suck.

Your only hope of beating MTL out is in your games against them. But you have 50/50 split them. The point being, the future is more predictable than you are making it out to be. You think magically CGY is going to play better. There is no reason to believe any of that. You have a losing record against the teams above you. There is no reason to believe that's going to change.
You'll start to understand in like 10 games. You'll realize it's over.

I literally just said the opposite... I'm starting to think it's more or less just not paying attention to what's right in front of you than not watching the North Division. Winnipeg is fine if a top guys goes down, Dubois just went down, they just played two weeks without Laine or Dubois, Edmonton is not in that same position.

They're 1 and 1, what riveting sample size you have brought to your argument, it's incredibly on brand for how your side of this conversation has gone though! I'm beginning to lose all hope that there is better in there for you, this may be the best you have in terms of trying to make a point, it's disappointing to say the least

PLD is a good player, PLD is not a star player. They lose Sheif....over. They lose Hellebuyck...over.
Every team in the league has guys they lose it's over.
The sample size is 5-8 from all the teams above you. Like I said. IF you go 50/50. you still don't gain.
You are over here trying to insist there is some magical reason that what has already happened is somehow going to change. Like how many games you think you got left?
It's not where you can play 41 games and sill have another 41 ahead of you. You don't. Your sample size is 1/3 of a season. That's a pretty ample sample size.

The Oilers lose Nurse... The Oilers lose Larsson... The Oilers lose Smith or Koskinen they're in serious serious trouble. That's not even close to the same conversation that you are trying to have..

We are back to not paying attention now.. two replies ago literally said 37 games left. It's almost like winning or losing streaks just don't exist in your world, the fragility and holes in your argument are way too much to overcome at this point, you've lost me, started as a half decent hockey conversation and you've spiraled to talking in circles in your own conversation with yourself. It also terrifies me that you still haven't denied that you just don't watch the North Division, I think it's cause I'm right and you're reaching for arguments at this point. It's the most random luck based sport in the world but you want to say 4 points behind is enough to sink a team, that's the post, that's the argument and it's a joke kiddo!

Every team is in just as much trouble losing their goalie.
And believe me if you think the oilers are winning games because of Nurse or Larsson you are high. We both damn well know who carries that team and it ain't them.
I don't take your whole...you don't watch games...bs at all. That's a loser arguement. You don't know wtf other people watch, it's just arrogance and stupidity. So no, I don't bother with it.
I hate to break it to you, their games are on TV too.
It's not that 4 points is enough to sink a team. It's that you are 3 points down, a game in hand, and you have a losing record against all the teams above you. You seem to not realize that.
You have to win the games and CGY hasn't. Most of your games are against better teams. You got what 2 games vs VAN left. And OTT. other than that, you are looking at a losing record. You continue to split vs MTL which is expected and you're done.

Nurse has been one of their top players this year according to the Oilers fan base... If you saw a couple games you'd know that. You're singling out little pieces of the argument because you are otherwise lost throughout this conversations.
Where on earth are you getting two more games against Vancouver?!

I'll let you work on that one. Just little tidbits for you as you've displayed once it gets too much into stats and conversation you're lost.

I just read this back and forth...enjoyed reeading pharrow make mince meat out of PhatRas.

omg, you keep trying to profess to people they know nothing, but use broad general claims, if a team loses one piece they are wrecked. Let me be clear. McDavid and Drai keep carrying EDM on their back without Nurse. Ok Period. He's not that important and calling out their goalie as ...if they get hurt....like no ****, ditto like practically every team out there. But you want to claim other people are "lost."
Like do YOU watch the games. Do you realize it might as well be called the EDM Connor McDavids. It's not hard to figure it out when you actually watch the games. Those two carry the whole rest of the team on their back with the exception of a few guys who kind of swim along side of them not being a burden. This act that losing Nurse is somehow some crippling blow that is going to stop McDavid and Drai from dragging the whole rest of the team into the playoffs kicking and screaming is absurd.

Hahahaha you actually took the time to read it... I hardly read it. The guy is up at 1, 2 in the morning and posts 15 times a day on CapFriendly... he’s lucky I give him the conversation.



I can claim your lost, as I said in my last comment to you, your job was to work on how many games the Flames have against Vancouver.. you couldn't do that you want to claim all this knowledge about the North division but don’t know the schedule breakdown whatsoever, it shows that you’re a standing watcher and base every claim off that.
Ask an Oiler fan. Nurse getting hurt is a massive blow this year, he’s been excellent.

I can see that this means a lot to you as you’re up to the wee hours of the morning thinking about me, a quick glance at your profile and you post 15(!!!) times a day on here it would be unfair of me to not let you have this no matter how wrong or clueless you are. You win kiddo, everyone is proud of you!

yeah, you over here talking about anything but hockey.
I mean really. Just sad.

Shows everyone you are clueless. We done here bye.