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Created by: jpsnow13
Team: 2020-21 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 31, 2021
Published: Apr. 1, 2021
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Another center for faceoffs, Suzuki to the wing and a 3rd RHD (Montour or Johns could work too) .
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MTL
  1. Savard, David ($2,125,000 retained)
CBJ
  1. Lehkonen, Artturi
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (MTL)
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DET
  1. LeGuerrier, Jacob [Reserve List]
  2. 2021 3rd round pick (CHI)
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22$81,500,000$72,593,809$0$3,137,500$8,906,191
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Apr. 1, 2021 at 1:54 p.m.
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How about we not go thru another Galchenyuk/Drouin/Domi at C and then W saga please... Suzuki will be fine leave him down the middle.
Not sure if Columbus really has any use for another bottom-6 forward, especially one that's RFA and will need to be qualified this offseason.
Lastly, there's no way that value is right for LG. Yzerman alrdy said it'll take a 2/3/4th rounder depending on where the team is in the standings.
Apr. 1, 2021 at 2:28 p.m.
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Sadly @theghandi90, I can still see your posts on my AGMs even if I blocked you.

So shall we:

No, you can't compare Suzuki to Galchenyuk, Drouin or Domi. It's not a demotion, it's a promotion on the wing to make his line stronger, like many teams do. Ex. : Malkin, RNH, Draisaitl, etc (and because he doesn't win faceoffs).

No, beeing an RFA isn't a bad thing. It means control over Lehkonen for a minimum of 2 years. He won't cost much since his recent stats are not good.

No, Glendening won't fetch a 2nd (lol) or a 3rd and NO a 4th doesn't have more value that Mete.+5h+7th.

Once again, you stand corrected. If I didn't block you, this would be a full time job...
Apr. 1, 2021 at 2:30 p.m.
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Quoting: TheGHANDI90
Not sure if Columbus really has any use for another bottom-6 forward, especially one that's RFA and will need to be qualified this offseason.

We don't; that'd get immediately rejected. Lehkonen does absolutely nothing for this team.
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Apr. 1, 2021 at 2:38 p.m.
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Wings pass, 3rd + mete with no LGD retention
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Apr. 1, 2021 at 2:45 p.m.
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Quoting: Viqsi
We don't; that'd get immediately rejected. Lehkonen does absolutely nothing for this team.


It's a bold statement for a team with 7 wingers signed/RFAs for next year, unable to sign UFAs and 23rd in the league on the PK....I'm sure they could find him a spot wink

Savard is worth a hi 3rd. I believe my offer has similar value. If you are looking for a first center for a 4th Dman, it won't happen.
Apr. 1, 2021 at 2:49 p.m.
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Wings pass, 3rd + mete with no LGD retention


Nate Thompson was traded for a 5th. What do you think Glendening is made of? Gold?

Also the real retention is about 300k. I don’t think this is a deal breaker for Detroit.
Apr. 1, 2021 at 2:50 p.m.
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It's a bold statement for a team with 7 wingers signed/RFAs for next year, unable to sign UFAs and 23rd in the league on the PK....I'm sure they could find him a spot wink

You're evidently unaware of the number of prospect wingers we have coming in. And even if the franchise reputation is a little shaky at the moment, I doubt it's so horrible that we can't find bottom-6 wingers.

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Savard is worth a hi 3rd.

Don't be absurd.
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Apr. 1, 2021 at 2:56 p.m.
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Nate Thompson was traded for a 5th.mat do you think Glendening is made of? Gold?

Also the real retention is about 300k. I don’t think this is a deal breaker for Detroit.


Yeah LGD has way more value then nate thompson. His Faceoffs are leading the league and there are about 20 teams in on lgd where nate thompson had 1. Way different scenerio. The retention isnt about the $$$ amount it's about the fact we can only retain 3 contracts and we have bigger ones that we need to retain on, staal, bernier, nemeth, helm as examples. Elliot friedman reported he could fetch a 2nd at this point. Or a 3rd and a decent prospect. So while your proposal might be what you think is good for montreal, when you Factor in all the other I reasons, wings would pass on this trade and do better elsewhere. So no worries, wings pass here
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Apr. 1, 2021 at 2:57 p.m.
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Nate Thompson was traded for a 5th. What do you think Glendening is made of? Gold?

Also the real retention is about 300k. I don’t think this is a deal breaker for Detroit.

I honestly don’t see how Mete adds value to Detroit. He isn’t expansion exempt and based on how Yzerman has built Tampa and drafted in Detroit it appears he favors size in his defenders. I know Nate Thompson returned a 5th but Boyle returned a 2nd twice. GMs are stuck in their old ways based on insider reports and will probably pay a third for Glendening as a 64.3% FO and plays a massive amount on the PK. I’m not saying I’d do it as a GM but it’s what the insiders have been hinting at.
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Apr. 1, 2021 at 3:46 p.m.
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I honestly don’t see how Mete adds value to Detroit. He isn’t expansion exempt and based on how Yzerman has built Tampa and drafted in Detroit it appears he favors size in his defenders. I know Nate Thompson returned a 5th but Boyle returned a 2nd twice. GMs are stuck in their old ways based on insider reports and will probably pay a third for Glendening as a 64.3% FO and plays a massive amount on the PK. I’m not saying I’d do it as a GM but it’s what the insiders have been hinting at.


Quoting: fedorov91
Yeah LGD has way more value then nate thompson. His Faceoffs are leading the league and there are about 20 teams in on lgd where nate thompson had 1. Way different scenerio. The retention isnt about the $$$ amount it's about the fact we can only retain 3 contracts and we have bigger ones that we need to retain on, staal, bernier, nemeth, helm as examples. Elliot friedman reported he could fetch a 2nd at this point. Or a 3rd and a decent prospect. So while your proposal might be what you think is good for montreal, when you Factor in all the other I reasons, wings would pass on this trade and do better elsewhere. So no worries, wings pass here


I get the possible overbidding of an auction effect, but it is still an hypothetical overevaluation at this point. Let's not go to far down this rabbit hole for now please gentlemen. A 2nd is just cra-zy.

The retention number limit is a good point though. I didn't think about that.

Could we agree on Lehkonen + B prospect ? He is worth a 3rd IMO.
Apr. 1, 2021 at 3:48 p.m.
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I get the possible overbidding of an auction effect, but it is still an hypothetical overevaluation at this point. Let's not go to far down this rabbit hole for now please gentlemen. A 2nd is just cra-zy.

The retention number limit is a good point though. I didn't think about that.

Could we agree on Lehkonen + B prospect ? He is worth a 3rd IMO.


Did you think Blake Coleman or barclay Goodrow would go for a first? At the deadline gms overpay. I think lgd ultimatly goes for a 3rd and a 5th. I would take the 3rd and a B prospect. Lehkonen doesn't help the wings we want picks not more guys we would trade for picks. But it is a better proposal to be fair
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Apr. 1, 2021 at 4:01 p.m.
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Quoting: Viqsi
You're evidently unaware of the number of prospect wingers we have coming in. And even if the franchise reputation is a little shaky at the moment, I doubt it's so horrible that we can't find bottom-6 wingers.


Don't be absurd.


See how you went from "wouldn't know what to do with him" to "could probably find 6 prospects / ufas instead". 😉

For Savard, I will give you Brenden Dillon's value: a low 2nd and a 3rd next year(in Lekhonen's form, just to mess with you, because deep down, you know he would fit well in CLB roster) . Surely, you will be satisfied by such a reasonable offer, right!?
Apr. 1, 2021 at 4:11 p.m.
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See how you went from "wouldn't know what to do with him" to "could probably find 6 prospects / ufas instead". 😉

We get those guys for free. If we're trading Savard, we want things we cannot otherwise get for free. That's not a difficult concept.

Quoting: jpsnow13
For Savard, I will give you Brenden Dillon's value: a low 2nd and a 3rd next year(in Lekhonen's form, just to mess with you, because deep down, you know he would fit well in CLB roster) . Surely, you will be satisfied by such a reasonable offer, right!?

The 2nd is better. Lehkonen still isn't particularly useful as a trade return.
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Apr. 1, 2021 at 4:13 p.m.
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Did you think Blake Coleman or barclay Goodrow would go for a first? At the deadline gms overpay. I think lgd ultimatly goes for a 3rd and a 5th. I would take the 3rd and a B prospect. Lehkonen doesn't help the wings we want picks not more guys we would trade for picks. But it is a better proposal to be fair


So basically, the same value as Eric Staal? I can't meet you there. A 3rd and B prospect is my final offer. 😎
Apr. 1, 2021 at 4:17 p.m.
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So basically, the same value as Eric Staal? I can't meet you there. A 3rd and B prospect is my final offer. 😎


The difference again is Eric staal had a partial ntc, and only a few teams were interested. There are about 15-20 teams interested in LGD. I'm good with the 3rd and b prospect. But don't be shocked if he goes for same or more then staal. His Faceoffs are extremely valuable in the playoffs
Apr. 1, 2021 at 4:25 p.m.
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We get those guys for free. If we're trading Savard, we want things we cannot otherwise get for free. That's not a difficult concept.


The 2nd is better. Lehkonen still isn't particularly useful as a trade return.


The concept I fail to grasp is who are thoses 6 prospects/Ufas wingers "easy to grab for free" for CLB you are talking about... I will wait for your list to enlightened me.
Apr. 1, 2021 at 4:55 p.m.
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The concept I fail to grasp is who are thoses 6 prospects/Ufas wingers "easy to grab for free" for CLB you are talking about... I will wait for your list to enlightened me.

I'm still wondering where you get "six wingers needed", so I guess that puts us on even ground. Or are you playing the "Columbus is incapable of keeping absolutely anybody" game?
Apr. 1, 2021 at 5:17 p.m.
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Sadly @theghandi90, I can still see your posts on my AGMs even if I blocked you.

So shall we:

No, you can't compare Suzuki to Galchenyuk, Drouin or Domi. It's not a demotion, it's a promotion on the wing to make his line stronger, like many teams do. Ex. : Malkin, RNH, Draisaitl, etc (and because he doesn't win faceoffs).

No, beeing an RFA isn't a bad thing. It means control over Lehkonen for a minimum of 2 years. He won't cost much since his recent stats are not good.

No, Glendening won't fetch a 2nd (lol) or a 3rd and NO a 4th doesn't have more value that Mete.+5h+7th.

Once again, you stand corrected. If I didn't block you, this would be a full time job...


You may not think its a demotion for the player, but it IS a demotion for the team. This team has been starved for C's for the better half of this century. And your logic is to move him to the wing to make his line better? How does that make sense for the Habs as a whole.

Whoever said being an RFA was a bad thing? Lehkonen was signed for 2.4mil cap hit so to qualify him this offseason, you need to do that OR more... and seeing as he isn't even worth that, he has little to no value to CBJ as they most likely wldn't even offer him a contract. Especially that you have Columbus retaining salary on Savard, there is no chance in hell they do that move for such a minimal return. (I see you changed the 5th rounder to a 2nd so i take it i wasn't the only one who pointed that out to you :-P)

And right, so again you're saying you know MORE than Steve Yzerman? Because a late 2nd rounder or 3rd/early 4th rounder is EXACTLY what he said he is looking to get for LG. (and again, i'm glad you listened to the masses and changed the Mete+5+7th to Leguerrier & a 3rd, which is much more reasonable)

Looks like you've learned a lesson ^__^ Cheers
 
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