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Sabres rebuild

Created by: jdowning
Initial Creation Date: Jun 21, 2021
Published: Jun 21 at 5:01
Team: 2021-22 Buffalo Sabres
Team Explanation
#1 Owen Power (due to reports, not who I would take)
#3 William Eklund
#9 Wallstedt if he's there or McTavish, Johnson, or Lysell

You're still bad enough to be in the lottery for Wright, Lambert or Savoie. Maybe even still bad enough for 2023 Michkov/Bedard.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Asplund, Rasmus1$1,100,000
Borgen, William1$995,000
Dahlin, Rasmus2$4,100,000
Jokiharju, Henri2$2,300,000
Mittelstadt, Casey1$1,750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Danault, Phillip5$6,200,000
Merrill, Jon2$3,900,000
Ullmark, Linus2$4,000,000
Reimer, James2$3,900,000
McCabe, Jake2$4,100,000
Trades
BUF
  1. Höglander, Nils
  2. 2021 1st round pick (VAN)
VAN
  1. Reinhart, Sam [RFA Rights]
BUF
  1. Dostal, Lukas
  2. Henrique, Adam
  3. Comtois, Maxime [RFA Rights]
  4. LaCombe, Jackson [Reserve List]
  5. 2021 1st round pick (ANA)
ANA
  1. Eichel, Jack
BUF
  1. Wood, Miles
NJD
  1. Ristolainen, Rasmus
BUF
    SEA
    1. Eakin, Cody
    2. 2022 4th round pick (BUF)
    Buyouts
    • Cody Hodgson: $791,667
    • Christian Ehrhoff: $0
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2021
    BUF
    VAN
    ANA
    BUF
    BOS
    FLA
    MTL
    BUF
    MTL
    BUF
    COL
    BUF
    2022
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    2023
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    23$81,500,000$72,436,667$0$1,050,000$9,063,333
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    BUF
    Skinner, Jeff
    $9,000,000
    LW, RW
    NMC
    UFA - 6
    Danault, Phillip
    $6,200,000
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 6
    BUF
    Mittelstadt, Casey
    $1,750,000
    C
    RFA - 3
    BUF
    Olofsson, Victor
    $3,050,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 1
    BUF
    Cozens, Dylan
    $894,167
    C, LW
    RFA - 2
    VAN
    Höglander, Nils
    $891,667
    LW, RW
    RFA - 2
    NJD
    Wood, Miles
    $2,750,000
    LW
    RFA - 1
    BUF
    Ruotsalainen, Arttu
    $925,000
    C, LW
    RFA - 1
    BUF
    Bjork, Anders
    $1,600,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 2
    BUF
    Girgensons, Zemgus
    $2,200,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 2
    ANA
    Henrique, Adam
    $5,825,000
    C
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    BUF
    Okposo, Kyle
    $6,000,000
    RW
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    BUF
    Dahlin, Rasmus
    $4,100,000
    LD
    RFA - 3
    BUF
    Jokiharju, Henri
    $2,300,000
    RD
    RFA - 3
    BUF
    Ullmark, Linus
    $4,000,000
    G
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    BUF
    McCabe, Jake
    $4,100,000
    LD
    NTC
    UFA - 4
    BUF
    Borgen, William
    $995,000
    RD
    RFA - 2
    Reimer, James
    $3,900,000
    G
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    Merrill, Jon
    $3,900,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
    BUF
    Miller, Colin
    $3,875,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    BUF
    Asplund, Rasmus
    $1,100,000
    C, LW
    RFA - 2
    BUF
    Thompson, Tage
    $1,400,000
    RW
    RFA - 2
    BUF
    Bryson, Jacob
    $889,166
    LD
    RFA - 1

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    Jun 21 at 5:02
    #1
    Jack Hughes is Elite
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    Devils decline
    Jun 21 at 5:05
    #2
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    Take out Hoglander if you want the Canucks to accept
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    Jun 21 at 5:25
    #3
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    I like your thought process
    Makes sense to me to bottom out again (unfortunately) and go for a high pick in the ‘22 and ‘23 drafts
    Getting a couple of the guys u mentioned,
    plus getting good returns for Jack & Sam,
    could set us up on the path to future success (hopefully)


    But we should get more back for Risto than just a bottom6 forward (add a 2nd?)

    And that’s a really weak return for Eichel imo
    If the Ducks wanna win the bidding for him,
    i think their proposal would have to include Zegras or Drysdale
    Maybe even both
    I think other teams will offer pieces that would beat the above Anaheim offer
    Jun 21 at 5:27
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    Quoting: TheAlien
    Take out Hoglander if you want the Canucks to accept


    You’re gonna have to add something like that though
    Bc Reinhart is worth much more than just a 1st (in a weaker draft nonetheless)
    Jun 21 at 6:41
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    Quoting: Jdfitz77
    You’re gonna have to add something like that though
    Bc Reinhart is worth much more than just a 1st (in a weaker draft nonetheless)


    Trade him somewhere else then Canucks aren't giving up 9OA and something else
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    Jun 21 at 6:55
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    theleano1
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    Quoting: Jdfitz77
    You’re gonna have to add something like that though
    Bc Reinhart is worth much more than just a 1st (in a weaker draft nonetheless)


    You won't get many better offers then 9ova for just Reinhart, Hoglander scored at better 5on5 points per 60 then Reinheart this year and the fact everyone and their mom knows Reinheart wants out of buffalo and wants to play on the west coast and is ufa in almost 12 months, Really doesn't give Buffalo leverage nor make sense from Van to do this package, This was also likely Reinheart's career year, so i do expect him to drop in production a bit next year, Van can add but it won't be anyone from their top 6 or Podkolzin, more a guy like Lind at best
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    Jun 21 at 8:28
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    Edited Jun 21 at 8:44
    Quoting: theleano1
    You won't get many better offers then 9ova for just Reinhart, Hoglander scored at better 5on5 points per 60 then Reinheart this year and the fact everyone and their mom knows Reinheart wants out of buffalo and wants to play on the west coast and is ufa in almost 12 months, Really doesn't give Buffalo leverage nor make sense from Van to do this package, This was also likely Reinheart's career year, so i do expect him to drop in production a bit next year, Van can add but it won't be anyone from their top 6 or Podkolzin, more a guy like Lind at best


    You are comparing a small sample (56 gms) to 6 yrs of consistency (454 gms) and who now when given the chance (finally) has shown he can move to the middle. Does Hoglander show promise without a doubt but has he showed he can do it over 6 yrs not yet. Det received Vrana, 23OA plus Panik as a cap dump bc the trade was at the TDL and another draft pick for Mantha who is equal to Reinhart wo the flexibility to play center. so I say Hoglander and a 2nd. I had did a Hoglander and the first before but I was wrong about the first because the Wash 1st was 23OA.
    Jun 21 at 9:12
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    theleano1
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    Quoting: Lenny54
    You are comparing a small sample (56 gms) to 6 yrs of consistency (454 gms) and who now when given the chance (finally) has shown he can move to the middle. Does Hoglander show promise without a doubt but has he showed he can do it over 6 yrs not yet. Det received Vrana, 23OA plus Panik as a cap dump bc the trade was at the TDL and another draft pick for Mantha who is equal to Reinhart wo the flexibility to play center. so I say Hoglander and a 2nd. I had did a Hoglander and the first before but I was wrong about the first because the Wash 1st was 23OA.


    the issue is Manatha is cost controlled for the next 3 years where Reinhart is not, that was a terrible trade by the caps anyway it won't set the market, There are more factors at play in that Manatha trade then there will be in a Reinhart trade, I'll give you that Reinhart has been on average a 20 goal 50 point guy the issue is that the relationship is so ****ed with the Saberes it will almost be imposable for them to get full value i really don't see Van trading hoglander or really anyone in the top 6 for Reinhart i really do see it being a 1st and b+ prospect other wise it just doesn't make sense
    Jun 21 at 9:29
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    Quoting: theleano1
    the issue is Manatha is cost controlled for the next 3 years where Reinhart is not, that was a terrible trade by the caps anyway it won't set the market, There are more factors at play in that Manatha trade then there will be in a Reinhart trade, I'll give you that Reinhart has been on average a 20 goal 50 point guy the issue is that the relationship is so ****ed with the Saberes it will almost be imposable for them to get full value i really don't see Van trading hoglander or really anyone in the top 6 for Reinhart i really do see it being a 1st and b+ prospect other wise it just doesn't make sense


    There is no bad relationship with the Sabres...after 6 yrs of not seeing improvement, continually changing GM's and coaches with guys with no experience and losing he just wants to win and see the playoffs. Do you think the Sabres would be in this position if they were winning? I don't blame either Eichel, Reinhart or Ristolainen for being tired of what this organization has done in their time here. The Pegulas should be ashamed of themselves for what they have done to this team.
    As for value there is always one GM that will pay the price, there are teams asking that maybe Ristolainen also be added in any trade for either Eichel or Reinhart. Actually Friedman said the Sabres are getting plenty of interest in Reinhart. It's all about who wants him the most which ups his value. To be honest I can't wait til this is over so we all see what the value of Eichel and Reinhart is and for that matter Ristolainen bc he is a RH shot and physical which seems to be what some teams are looking for
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    Jun 21 at 10:14
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    Quoting: theleano1
    the issue is Manatha is cost controlled for the next 3 years where Reinhart is not, that was a terrible trade by the caps anyway it won't set the market, There are more factors at play in that Manatha trade then there will be in a Reinhart trade, I'll give you that Reinhart has been on average a 20 goal 50 point guy the issue is that the relationship is so ****ed with the Saberes it will almost be imposable for them to get full value i really don't see Van trading hoglander or really anyone in the top 6 for Reinhart i really do see it being a 1st and b+ prospect other wise it just doesn't make sense


    A Flames fan has said there are rumors Tkachuk wants out of Calgary...do you think that will drop his value in a trade...I don't think so! I'm not comparing Reinhart and Tkachuk just stating bc a player wants out doesn't drop his value
    Jun 21 at 10:45
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    Quoting: TheAlien
    Trade him somewhere else then Canucks aren't giving up 9OA and something else


    1- you just don’t KNOW what the Canucks would or wouldn’t give up for him

    2- this isn’t MY trade scenario
    Jun 21 at 10:46
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    Quoting: theleano1
    You won't get many better offers then 9ova for just Reinhart, Hoglander scored at better 5on5 points per 60 then Reinheart this year and the fact everyone and their mom knows Reinheart wants out of buffalo and wants to play on the west coast and is ufa in almost 12 months, Really doesn't give Buffalo leverage nor make sense from Van to do this package, This was also likely Reinheart's career year, so i do expect him to drop in production a bit next year, Van can add but it won't be anyone from their top 6 or Podkolzin, more a guy like Lind at best


    We’ll see
    But you don’t KNOW what offers we will get for Reinhart
    And at least spell his name right dude
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    Jun 22 at 1:34
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    theleano1
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    Quoting: Jdfitz77
    We’ll see
    But you don’t KNOW what offers we will get for Reinhart
    And at least spell his name right dude


    My bad autocorrect can be dumb some times that being said your right i don't know what offers are out there i just don't see any of the picks 1-8 being Offred for just Reinhart
    Jun 22 at 1:41
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    Quoting: theleano1
    My bad autocorrect can be dumb some times that being said your right i don't know what offers are out there i just don't see any of the picks 1-8 being Offred for just Reinhart


    Ok…..
    but what if NYR offers pick15 + ?
    Or CGY is willing to do a deal with Tkachuk in the package?
    If you’re willing to do pick9…. Why wouldn’t LA do pick8 ???
    Etc, etc, etc

    There’s a lot of possibilities dude
    Jun 22 at 1:57
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    theleano1
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    Quoting: Jdfitz77
    Ok…..
    but what if NYR offers pick15 + ?
    Or CGY is willing to do a deal with Tkachuk in the package?
    If you’re willing to do pick9…. Why wouldn’t LA do pick8 ???
    Etc, etc, etc

    There’s a lot of possibilities dude


    I don't see Calgary offering tkachuk nor do I see La offering 8, I've heard he wants to go the west coast, so I don't he would sign long term in New York and I feel that's the only they would trade for him, like I said would be comfortable doing 9 + lind and Roussel and like a 22 3rd but that's about the max I'd do
    Jun 22 at 3:54
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    Quoting: theleano1
    I don't see Calgary offering tkachuk nor do I see La offering 8, I've heard he wants to go the west coast, so I don't he would sign long term in New York and I feel that's the only they would trade for him, like I said would be comfortable doing 9 + lind and Roussel and like a 22 3rd but that's about the max I'd do


    But just bc “”you “don’t see it” doesn’t mean it won’t happen
    And those were just quick random examples i thought of
    There’s many more

    And whatever you feel comfortable with is fine
    But NONE OF US actually know what’s gonna happen
     
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