So how badly do Habs really want Subban

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Created by: NHLfan10506

Team: 2021-22 New Jersey Devils

Initial Creation Date: Aug. 13, 2021

Published: Aug. 13, 2021

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Free Agent Signings

RFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Kotkaniemi, Jesperi		2	$2,250,000

UFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Chiasson, Alex	1	$1,000,000
Donato, Ryan	1	$1,500,000
Svechnikov, Evgeny	1	$800,000
Stone, Michael	1	$750,000
Thomas, Ben	1	$750,000

Trades

NJD

Kotkaniemi, Jesperi [RFA Rights]
Lehkonen, Artturi

MTL

Subban, P.K. ($4,500,000 retained)
2022 3rd round pick (NJD)

Additional Details:

We have seen wide range of trade scenarios for Subban from Habs fans on here recently.

1. KK/Lehk/Mysak/3rd (2719864)
2. Kulak/2nd (2718198)
3. Poehling/Lehk/3rd (2717145)
4. Lehkonen/Kulak/2nd (2716788)
5. Lehkonen/Harris/3rd (2716610)
6. Drouin/3rd (2716654)
7. Lehk/Kulak/5th (2716514)
8. Vejdemo/3rd (2716402)
9. Byron/2nd/2nd (2715986)
10. Future Considerations (2710744)

Kotkaniemi would be an optimistic return in any scenario. But maybe if we retained fully and added a pick (or maybe took cap back). I don't think NJD would look to Drouin, Byron or Kulak. But could certainly use a guy like Lehkonen for penalty kill.

So my guess, a even deal would be something like #3 or #5 above.

NJD

2022 4th round pick (ARI)

ARI

Johnsson, Andreas

NJD

McBain, Jack [Reserve List]

MIN

Hellickson, Matthew [Reserve List]
2022 6th round pick (NJD)

Buyouts

Cory Schneider: $2,000,000

Retained Salary Transactions

Will Butcher: $910,569 (24.39%)
P.K. Subban: $4,500,000 (50%)

Recapture Fees

Ilya Kovalchuk: $250,000

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2022
2023
2024

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

EMBED

TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$81,500,000	$66,677,235	$0	$3,357,500	$14,822,765

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Zacha, Pavel $2,250,000$2,250,000 C, LW UFA - 1	Hischier, Nico $7,250,000$7,250,000 C UFA - 6	Bratt, Jesper $2,750,000$2,750,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
Tatar, Tomas $4,500,000$4,500,000 LW, RW UFA - 2	Hughes, Jack $925,000$925,000 ($2,850,000$3M) C UFA - 1	Sharangovich, Yegor $2,000,000$2,000,000 C, LW, RW UFA - 2
Kuokkanen, Janne $1,825,000$1,825,000 LW, C UFA - 2	Kotkaniemi, Jesperi $2,250,000$2,250,000 C UFA - 1
Wood, Miles $2,750,000$2,750,000 LW UFA - 1	McLeod, Michael $975,000$975,000 C RFA - 2
		Lehkonen, Artturi $1,150,000$1,150,000 LW, RW UFA - 1
		Chiasson, Alex $1,000,000$1,000,000 RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Graves, Ryan $3,166,667$3,166,667 LD UFA - 2	Hamilton, Dougie $9,000,000$9,000,000 RD NMC UFA - 7	Blackwood, Mackenzie $2,800,000$2,800,000 G UFA - 2
Siegenthaler, Jonas $1,125,000$1,125,000 LD UFA - 2	Severson, Damon $4,166,666$4,166,666 RD UFA - 2	Bernier, Jonathan $4,125,000$4,125,000 G UFA - 2
Bahl, Kevin $795,000$795,000 ($107,500$108K) LD RFA - 2	Smith, Ty $863,333$863,333 ($400,000$400K) LD/RD RFA - 2

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Donato, Ryan $1,500,000$1,500,000 LW, C, RW UFA - 1
Holtz, Alexander $925,000$925,000 RW, LW RFA - 4
Boqvist, Jesper $925,000$925,000 C, LW RFA - 1

Taxi Squad
Clarke, Graeme $850,833$850,833 ($0$0$0$0) ($82,500$82K) RW, C RFA - 3
Foote, Nolan $863,333$863,333 ($0$0$0$0) LW RFA - 3
Stone, Michael $750,000$750,000 ($0$0$0$0) RD UFA - 1
Jaros, Christian $800,000$800,000 ($0$0$0$0) RD UFA - 1
Wedgewood, Scott $825,000$825,000 ($0$0$0$0) G UFA - 1

Aug. 13, 2021 at 4:17 p.m.

#26

NHLfan10506

Thread Starter

Joined: May 2019

Posts: 40,169

Likes: 18,355

Quoting: MTLaveragefan

Its purely for the meme and sentimental value...

Therefore it should only cost like Lekhonen and a third for the retention.

We like the idea, we don't really need him... but we would take him if the price is cheap.

OK then, if its a sentimental move...

PK Subban for Brian Gionta

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Aug. 13, 2021 at 4:20 p.m.

#27

Habs696969

Joined: Jan. 2021

Posts: 280

Likes: 133

Quoting: NHLfan10506

How would most Habs fans rank these def prospects?

Norlinder
Brook
Harris
Struble
Fairbrother

Norlinder, Harris, struble, brook, fairbrother IMO

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Aug. 13, 2021 at 4:22 p.m.

#28

Gofnut999

Joined: Jan. 2017

Posts: 19,794

Likes: 8,838

Quoting: NHLfan10506

1-year at $4.5 million is nothing.
He was slow in 2013 (won Norris), also slow in 2018 (Norris-runner-up).
And he has been good in locker room since he arrived in NJ.

But we get it, Boston hates Subban.

I actually love Subban, the individual. As a player, he’s always been overated. And you know damn well that Norris is a joke. Suter deserved it that year. But PK got the O6 attention bonus and defense apparently means nothing to the Norris anymore.

4.5 m in a flat cap for a stiff is not nothing. Look at the buyouts this year.

Aug. 13, 2021 at 4:48 p.m.

#29

NHLfan10506

Thread Starter

Joined: May 2019

Posts: 40,169

Likes: 18,355

Quoting: Gofnut999

The O6 bias in Norris trophy voting?

Tell it to Ray Bourque.
Scott Stevens deserved it in '94.

Aug. 13, 2021 at 5:16 p.m.

#30

Gofnut999

Joined: Jan. 2017

Posts: 19,794

Likes: 8,838

Quoting: NHLfan10506

The O6 bias in Norris trophy voting?

Tell it to Ray Bourque.
Scott Stevens deserved it in '94.

Ya, he did. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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