ok so youre gonna keep dodging the important details. nice, called it.

Ok, sorry, I missed that part at first.

There have been plenty of government that have been wrong about things over the years. Just because they say something is good doesn't mean it is.

Anyways, nice chat. I'm going to go now before the mods come and give us infractions.

yeah but if almost every government, AND every health organization, AND also the companies producing the vaccines, AND practically every reputable doctor, and for that matter basically every reputable source in the world recommends something...

also thats also a pretty stupid argument "just because everyone says something is good doesn't mean it is". i mean sure, but thats not really rational. lets say 10 doctors recommend one surgery to you, but a friend tells you not to get it, who are you gonna trust? in this situation you're either doing the opposite of what the doctors are recommending for the slim chance that all of them are wrong, or you're trusting someone else for god knows what reason. im a bit worried you havent gotten vaccinated. its not really my place to invade your privacy, but just please clear your mind and really think about what i just said, maybe call your doctor and ask them what they think. its so important to be able to, without influence from people who dont have your best interest at heart, make good decisions.

also idrc about mods giving infractions because this conversation is a lot more important

I appreciate your concern. I'm glad that you are thinking of others and that you've been mostly civil throughout this conversation, you seem like a nice guy. But with all due respect, I'm not sure why it is your business.

The rest of his teammates are vaccinated so it's pretty unlikely by your own argument he'll give it to them

well its not my business, and nothing i can say is gonna change your mind. ironically random people on the internet like me, cannot convince people to not listen to other random people on the internet. people will always favour inaction over action, thats the whole reason we're not gonna stop climate change, but thats another conversation. all i can tell you is think of others and make the right choices.

either way good talking to you, you do seem like a genuinely nice person.

can you just take a step back and look at your argument.

Argument comes to this in a nutshell it's his right to control his medical decisions and people need to respect that freedom isn't free people have given their lives for him to have that right I myself have a permanent injury so he has that right.

if some of your co-workers have nut allergies, would you bring a PBJ sandwich for lunch? would you bring some nuts as a snack? no, of course not. even though its inconvenient, even though you feel like you should have the right to have a PBJ for lunch, you don't as to not put others at risk. that's basically what's going on here. you might feel like people should have the choice to get vaccinated or not, but since getting vaccinated is proven to protect others, and since getting vaccinated is proven to be safe unless you have actual allergies or other conditions preventing you from getting vaccinated, you should get vaccinated. if not to protect yourself, you should do it to protect others, who cant get the vaccine, and who'd die if they contracted covid. its pretty simple. at some point freedom does not trump public health, and if you cant understand that.. i dont know what to tell you.

Yeah considering that both Blackwood and Hamonic just got the vaccine, So that leaves Bertuzzi as the only player in the NHL unvaxxed. That is pretty selfish if you ask me.

Ya, I appreciate you are able to agree to disagree. This is rare these days.