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First offer for JT

Created by: Joshhaggstrom
Published: Nov. 23, 2021 at 10:15 p.m.
Salary Cap: $81,500,000
Season Days: 157/200 (79%)
Central Registry Determination: This trade has met the central registry's trade checklist

Logo of the Minnesota WildMinnesota Wild

OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Bjugstad, NickMinnesota WildNHL-$706,500111---0000--
Dumba, MattMinnesota WildNHL-$4,710,000111---0000--
Rossi, MarcoWaivers ExemptMinnesota WildMinor-$0011---0000--
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Miller, J.T.Vancouver CanucksNHL-$4,121,250111---0000--
Hamonic, TravisVancouver CanucksMinor-$0011---0000--
2022 5th round pick (Logo of the Vancouver CanucksVAN)---001------
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$2,253,9812344623612
Change$2,767,125-1-1-1001
Final$5,021,106 (↑)22 (↓)43 (↓)61 (↓)3613 (↑)000

Logo of the Vancouver CanucksVancouver Canucks

Trade occurred while using LTIR
LTIR Relief: $6,112,500
LTIR Used Prior to Trade: $3,637,500
OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Miller, J.T.Vancouver CanucksNHL-$5,250,000111---0000--
Hamonic, TravisVancouver CanucksMinor-$1,875,000011---0000--
2022 5th round pick (Logo of the Vancouver CanucksVAN)---001------
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Bjugstad, NickMinnesota WildNHL-$900,000111---0000--
Dumba, MattMinnesota WildNHL-$6,000,000111---0000--
Rossi, MarcoWaivers ExemptMinnesota WildMinor-$0011---0000--
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$2,475,0002246663511
Change$225,00011100-1
Final$2,700,000 (↑)23 (↑)47 (↑)67 (↑)3510 (↓)000
Nov. 23, 2021 at 10:57 p.m.
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How about a hell no from Minnesota. No chance you are getting this for jt
Nov. 24, 2021 at 12:05 a.m.
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Quoting: CAPDumba
How about a hell no from Minnesota. No chance you are getting this for jt


Not with Rossi in the mix, and I'm a Canucks fan
Nov. 24, 2021 at 10:19 a.m.
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How about a hell no from Minnesota. No chance you are getting this for jt


Given that Minnesota is the one who called Vancouver inquiring about J.T, in my mind any offer would have to start and end with Dumba and Rossi/Boldy
Nov. 24, 2021 at 12:00 p.m.
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Quoting: Joshhaggstrom
Given that Minnesota is the one who called Vancouver inquiring about J.T, in my mind any offer would have to start and end with Dumba and Rossi/Boldy


If Rossi or Boldy were the asking price, I can see why the inquiry didn't lead to anything concrete.
Nov. 24, 2021 at 12:25 p.m.
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Given that Minnesota is the one who called Vancouver inquiring about J.T, in my mind any offer would have to start and end with Dumba and Rossi/Boldy



Dumba is untouchable.
In what world do you think jt is worth eichel's value?

Well you can ask and dream, but it's not realistic and won't happen
Nov. 24, 2021 at 1:17 p.m.
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Rossi, Boldy, Addison and (probably) Beckman are off the table. Their entry level contracts are just as valuable as their on-ice potential for the Wild. Without these ELDs, there is no way the Wild are remotely completive for the next few years. They might part with a C prospect like Khovanov but there is no way they give up Rossi.

I don't see Dumba moving. That "A" is still pretty fresh on his sweater. Seems like the team wants to keep him around. Plus, if VAN is rebuilding, they don't want a 28 year-old defenseman.

The scenario that makes sense to me is Miller for Fiala + Greenway. Then some mid tier picks and prospects from both sides to level everything out.
Nov. 24, 2021 at 4:18 p.m.
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Rossi, Boldy, Addison and (probably) Beckman are off the table. Their entry level contracts are just as valuable as their on-ice potential for the Wild. Without these ELDs, there is no way the Wild are remotely completive for the next few years. They might part with a C prospect like Khovanov but there is no way they give up Rossi.

I don't see Dumba moving. That "A" is still pretty fresh on his sweater. Seems like the team wants to keep him around. Plus, if VAN is rebuilding, they don't want a 28 year-old defenseman.

The scenario that makes sense to me is Miller for Fiala + Greenway. Then some mid tier picks and prospects from both sides to level everything out.


I agree with everything you said
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Nov. 24, 2021 at 6:28 p.m.
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Quoting: CAPDumba
Dumba is untouchable.
In what world do you think jt is worth eichel's value?

Well you can ask and dream, but it's not realistic and won't happen


The one thing I know for sure is that given what Buf got for both Hall and Eichel, I’m not sure using them for a comparison of what it is that other people could get seems fair
Nov. 24, 2021 at 6:36 p.m.
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Quoting: Joshhaggstrom
The one thing I know for sure is that given what Buf got for both Hall and Eichel, I’m not sure using them for a comparison of what it is that other people could get seems fair


Well no matter what you think the fact teams specifically didn't give much for eichel means t g ey aren't giving more, or same for jt Miller. Market determines value
Nov. 24, 2021 at 6:41 p.m.
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Quoting: UncleChucker
Rossi, Boldy, Addison and (probably) Beckman are off the table. Their entry level contracts are just as valuable as their on-ice potential for the Wild. Without these ELDs, there is no way the Wild are remotely completive for the next few years. They might part with a C prospect like Khovanov but there is no way they give up Rossi.

I don't see Dumba moving. That "A" is still pretty fresh on his sweater. Seems like the team wants to keep him around. Plus, if VAN is rebuilding, they don't want a 28 year-old defenseman.

The scenario that makes sense to me is Miller for Fiala + Greenway. Then some mid tier picks and prospects from both sides to level everything out.


You would have to believe that one of those four are available especially if Minnesota is the one who’s calling about Miller.

I also don’t think the Vancouver would consider a rebuild, they need to do more of a retool a lot like what Edmonton did. They need to add a top 4 RHD and fix the damn PK, not sure that warrants a rebuild.

The Wild have been trying to trade Dumba since Guerin was hired
Nov. 24, 2021 at 9:22 p.m.
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Quoting: Joshhaggstrom
You would have to believe that one of those four are available especially if Minnesota is the one who’s calling about Miller.

I also don’t think the Vancouver would consider a rebuild, they need to do more of a retool a lot like what Edmonton did. They need to add a top 4 RHD and fix the damn PK, not sure that warrants a rebuild.

The Wild have been trying to trade Dumba since Guerin was hired


I'm not sure they've been trying to move him since Guerin was hired.... They just gave him an A... Doesn't seem like you'd do that if you're actively looking to move the guy.

And, respectfully, no.... You don't have to believe one of them is on the table. Fiala + Greenway + mid-tier picks / prospects would be more than fair for Miller. That said, if I had to pick one of them that "might move", it would be Beckman....

I just don't see the Wild dealing the players they will rely on for both talent AND cap room for a player they will lose precisely when they need the guys they traded. Now, if JT had 4 more years @ 5M, things would be different. But he doesn't. So it isn't. Just my $0,02
 
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