Reversing every horrible trade that was ever made by Pierre Dorion

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Created by: sensonfire

Team: 2021-22 Ottawa Senators

Initial Creation Date: Nov. 25, 2021

Published: Nov. 25, 2021

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

If there was another horrible trade that was done by Pierre Dorion, just say what it is and I'll reverse it in a way that is fair and just for every team involved in it. .

Free Agent Signings

RESERVE LIST		YEARS	CAP HIT
Kinnunen, Santtu		1	$750,000

Trades

OTT

COL

Matt Duchene

I know the Nashville part of the package was never in Ottawa's possession.

But it's pretty obvious that Nashville was willing to give it up for Kyle Turris.

OTT

Hammond, Andrew

MIN

OTT

Hållander, Filip

PIT

OTT

2018 5th round pick (FLA - #139 - Mikael Hakkarainen)
2019 2nd round pick (FLA - #44 - Jamieson Rees)
2018 4th round pick (VGK - #123 - Jack Gorniak)

FLA

Mike Hoffman trade is made with Florida instead of San Jose.

Instead of getting Mikkel Boedker, we get the picks that Florida sent to San Jose and we don't get humiliated by Doug Wilson.

OTT

Kinnunen, Santtu [Reserve List]

FLA

Novak, Jakov [Reserve List]

Additional Details:

Florida gets Ottawa's 7th round pick for 2018 instead of San Jose's.

As part of the Mike Hoffman trade.

OTT

SJS

Kinnunen, Santtu

OTT

Tullio, Tyler

EDM

OTT

SJS

Daoust, Philippe [Reserve List]

OTT

Johansson, Albert

DET

Because San Jose used the 2nd round pick from the second Mike Hoffman trade to get Erik Karlsson, San Jose still owes us a 2nd round pick from 2019.

If Ottawa traded Mike Hoffman to Florida instead of San Jose, then what we would have also received from the Erik Karlsson trade, San Jose's 2nd round pick for 2019 instead along with everything else.

And there would be no condition on the pick.

San Jose would have then needed to find another 2nd round pick from somewhere to get Gustav Nyqust for their 2019 Cup Run.

10.

OTT

CBJ

Abramov, Vitaly [Reserve List]
Thomson, Lassi

Additional Details:

If the first Matt Duchene trade with Colorado doesn't happen, then the second one with Columbus doesn't happen either.

11.

OTT

Stone, Mark

VGK

Additional Details:

Eugene Melnyk decides he doesn't want to get fleeced by Vegas and instead, pays Mark Stone what he's worth.

12.

OTT

Benning, Michael [Reserve List]

FLA

Brown, Joshua

13.

OTT

Blomqvist, Joel [Reserve List]
Gruden, Jonathan

PIT

Murray, Matt

14.

OTT

Matier, Jack

NSH

Watson, Austin

15.

OTT

Doan, Josh [Reserve List]

ARI

Derek Stepan

Buyouts

Bobby Ryan: $3,583,333
Dion Phaneuf: $354,167

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2022
2023
2024

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

EMBED

TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$81,500,000	$69,973,258	$0	$5,957,500	$11,526,742

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Tkachuk, Brady $8,330,674$8,330,674 LW UFA - 7	Norris, Joshua $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) C UFA - 1	Stone, Mark $9,500,000$9,500,000 RW NMC UFA - 6
Stützle, Tim $925,000$925,000 ($2,500,000$2M) C UFA - 2	Paul, Nicholas $749,250$749,250 C, LW UFA - 1	Batherson, Drake $4,975,000$4,975,000 RW, LW UFA - 6
Formenton, Alex $747,500$747,500 ($107,500$108K) LW RFA - 1	Tierney, Chris $3,500,000$3,500,000 C UFA - 1	Brown, Connor $3,600,000$3,600,000 RW, LW UFA - 2
	Gambrell, Dylan $1,100,000$1,100,000 C UFA - 1	Ennis, Tyler $900,000$900,000 LW, RW UFA - 1
Sanford, Zachary $2,000,000$2,000,000 LW, RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Chabot, Thomas $8,000,000$8,000,000 LD UFA - 7	Zaitsev, Nikita $4,500,000$4,500,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 3	Gustavsson, Filip $787,500$787,500 G UFA - 2
Girard, Samuel $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD/RD UFA - 6	Zub, Artem $2,500,000$2,500,000 RD UFA - 2	Hammond, Andrew $750,000$750,000 G UFA - 1
	Mete, Victor $1,200,000$1,200,000 LD/RD UFA - 1
Holden, Nick $1,700,000$1,700,000 LD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Del Zotto, Michael $2,000,000$2,000,000 LD UFA - 2	Byram, Bowen $894,167$894,167 ($2,500,000$2M) LD/RD RFA - 2	White, Colin $4,750,000$4,750,000 C, RW UFA - 4
Kelly, Parker $726,667$726,667 LW RFA - 1		Pinto, Shane $925,000$925,000 ($600,000$600K) C RFA - 2
Shaw, Logan $725,000$725,000 C, RW UFA - 1

Nov. 25, 2021 at 1:46 p.m.

Lenny7

Joined: Jan. 2017

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The issue is, if you keep Duchene, Stone and Zibanejad, I can't imagine Byram, Stuetzle are there...

Nov. 25, 2021 at 2:00 p.m.

sensonfire

Thread Starter

sensonfire

Joined: Feb. 2021

Posts: 12,203

Likes: 4,595

Quoting: Lenny7

The issue is, if you keep Duchene, Stone and Zibanejad, I can't imagine Byram, Stuetzle are there...

1. Ottawa never trades for Duchene in this scenario.

2. We would get Stutzle because he was selected with San Jose's 1st round pick, not Ottawa's.

3. We still would tank in 2017-2018 and 2018-2019.

Mika Z and Mark Stone would be unable to stop it and we would still have the 4th overall pick for 2019.

Nov. 25, 2021 at 2:17 p.m.

Pierre_from_Orleans

Joined: Sep. 2021

Posts: 111

Likes: 93

If you don't trade Z for Brass we likely wouldn't have went to the Conference Finals and you don't have Gus or JBD.

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Nov. 25, 2021 at 3:10 p.m.

sensonfire

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sensonfire

Joined: Feb. 2021

Posts: 12,203

Likes: 4,595

Quoting: Pierre_from_Orleans

If you don't trade Z for Brass we likely wouldn't have went to the Conference Finals and you don't have Gus or JBD.

After looking at the two Brassard trades in a vacuum more closely, this is how Ottawa did:

Mika Zibanejad
Vincent Dunn
33rd overall pick for 2018
64th overall pick for 2018

for

Derick Brassard's contributions to the Ottawa Senators between July, 2016 and February, 2018
Ian Cole
Filip Gustavsson
22nd overall pick for 2018
83rd overall pick for 2019
194th overall pick for 2018

I would say Pierre Dorion made up for the Zibanejad trade, at least somewhat.

But, you're absolutely right.

I'll erase the Zibanejad trade

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Nov. 25, 2021 at 3:48 p.m.

Pierre_from_Orleans

Joined: Sep. 2021

Posts: 111

Likes: 93

Quoting: sensonfire

I was looking at the trades earlier and saw Vincent Dunn.... had to look a little deeper, that's not Vince Dunn of the Kraken haha.

But, yeah, I like Z, and wasn't a huge fan of the trade at the time but I think it worked out for both teams.

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