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Selling and buying in the offsea

Created by: fixitf11
Team: 2022-23 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 5, 2022
Published: Jan. 5, 2022
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
I used the LTIR as other possible free agent targets for the top king winger with Crosby
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$800,000
2$800,000
2$800,000
2$800,000
3$2,000,000
1$2,000,000
2$915,000
2$915,000
2$3,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$3,500,000
2$6,000,000
1$5,000,000
5$7,750,000
1$8,650,000
5$6,750,000
4$5,250,000
Trades
1.
PIT
  1. 2023 3rd round pick (SEA)
SEA
  1. Zucker, Jason ($2,750,000 retained)
2.
PIT
  1. Kravtsov, Vitali [RFA Rights]
NYR
  1. 2022 2nd round pick (PIT)
3.
PIT
  1. Gildon, Max
  2. 2022 6th round pick (CGY)
  3. 2023 2nd round pick (FLA)
4.
PIT
  1. Addison, Calen
  2. Greenway, Jordan [RFA Rights]
  3. Kähkönen, Kaapo [RFA Rights]
  4. 2022 2nd round pick (MIN)
  5. 2023 3rd round pick (MIN)
5.
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2022
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Logo of the CGY
Logo of the PIT
2023
Logo of the PIT
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Logo of the FLA
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the SEA
Logo of the MIN
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the TOR
2024
Logo of the PIT
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$80,305,175$0$82,500$1,194,825
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$7,750,000$7,750,000
LW
UFA - 8
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$8,700,000$8,700,000
C
NMC
UFA - 3
$3,000,000$3,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$863,333$863,333
C, LW
RFA - 2
$8,650,000$8,650,000
C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$3,500,000$3,500,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Nashville Predators
$1,450,000$1,450,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$5,000,000$5,000,000
C
UFA - 4
$2,000,000$2,000,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$2,000,000$2,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$2,200,000$2,200,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$2,750,000$2,750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$4,025,175$4,025,175
LD
UFA - 3
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$6,000,000$6,000,000
RD
UFA - 6
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$3,500,000$3,500,000
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$4,875,000$4,875,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$4,400,000$4,400,000
RD
UFA - 5
$915,000$915,000
G
UFA - 2
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$800,000$800,000
LD
RFA - 2
Logo of the Minnesota Wild
$795,000$795,000 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$915,000$915,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
$6,750,000$6,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 5
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$750,000$750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$5,250,000$5,250,000
RW, LW
UFA - 6
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$800,000$800,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
Taxi Squad
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$800,000$800,000 ($0$0$0$0)
LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$800,000$800,000 ($0$0$0$0)
C, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Florida Panthers
$853,333$853,333 ($0$0$0$0)
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$925,000$925,000 ($0$0$0$0)
G
RFA - 1

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Jan. 5, 2022 at 3:13 p.m.
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I love Jake, but that's a definite no.
Jan. 5, 2022 at 3:13 p.m.
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Pens are the best
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That wild trade is terrible for the pens. Were not trading Guentzel
Jan. 5, 2022 at 3:14 p.m.
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As good Jake is, and Minnesota born, MIN has zero need, room or cap for a winger. Greenway getting moved doesn't change anything. Minnesota says no
Jan. 5, 2022 at 3:39 p.m.
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The Wild would be fools to pass up on that deal…regardless of need or cap! This is a deal you jump at and figure the rest out later!!
Jan. 5, 2022 at 4:18 p.m.
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This comment thread is very inconsistent to say the least
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Jan. 5, 2022 at 4:26 p.m.
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Quoting: MNBassman
The Wild would be fools to pass up on that deal…regardless of need or cap! This is a deal you jump at and figure the rest out later!!


That is way too much to give up for Guentzel.
Jan. 5, 2022 at 4:49 p.m.
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I think Minnesota declines.
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Jan. 5, 2022 at 5:27 p.m.
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Quoting: RazWild
That is way too much to give up for Guentzel.


It would take Pittsburgh less than a second to pass on this offer!
Jan. 5, 2022 at 6:08 p.m.
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Edited Jan. 5, 2022 at 6:14 p.m.
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It would take Pittsburgh less than a second to pass on this offer!


A potential top-four defenseman, top 50 prospect, whom we acquired from the team in question, and is the better of our only TWO rhs defensive prospects.

A middle-six powerforward. Valued at a late 1st to a mid 2nd. Somewhere in that range.

A 1B type goaltender, who is, and is going to be, cheaper than anyone we could sign to replace him and the best option we have to hold down the fort if Wallstedt isn't ready to play backup once Talbot's contract is up.

A 2nd.

And a 3rd.


All of which for a player who isn't in actuality all that much better than Fiala is. From a overall talent and skillset wise viewpoint. Replace Guentzel with Fiala on Sid's wing and Fiala would put up either the same or better numbers than Guentzel does.

It's an overpay. And a big one at that. I say this with the Penguins being my second favorite team and an avid die-hard fan of them since the 90's. As Mario Lemieux and that Pens era is what got me into hockey when I was a kid. The North Stars had already left, and I was too young when it happened. I turn 36 at the end of the month, for reference.

My point of that little story is two-fold. First is what I wrote above, second is so that you'd believe me when I say, that while I love Jake... and would love to have him on our roster. I wouldn't pay that price for him. That's a lot to give up for a top-six winger whose had a fair number of injury issues of late, who isn't much better than what we already have in Fiala.

If a winger like Guentzel is the goal. Just resign Fiala this off-season and deal with the consequences later, keep the assets and move them for something else. You're wasting assets otherwise.
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Jan. 6, 2022 at 4:07 a.m.
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Quoting: RazWild
A potential top-four defenseman, top 50 prospect, whom we acquired from the team in question, and is the better of our only TWO rhs defensive prospects.

A middle-six powerforward. Valued at a late 1st to a mid 2nd. Somewhere in that range.

A 1B type goaltender, who is, and is going to be, cheaper than anyone we could sign to replace him and the best option we have to hold down the fort if Wallstedt isn't ready to play backup once Talbot's contract is up.

A 2nd.

And a 3rd.


All of which for a player who isn't in actuality all that much better than Fiala is. From a overall talent and skillset wise viewpoint. Replace Guentzel with Fiala on Sid's wing and Fiala would put up either the same or better numbers than Guentzel does.

It's an overpay. And a big one at that. I say this with the Penguins being my second favorite team and an avid die-hard fan of them since the 90's. As Mario Lemieux and that Pens era is what got me into hockey when I was a kid. The North Stars had already left, and I was too young when it happened. I turn 36 at the end of the month, for reference.

My point of that little story is two-fold. First is what I wrote above, second is so that you'd believe me when I say, that while I love Jake... and would love to have him on our roster. I wouldn't pay that price for him. That's a lot to give up for a top-six winger whose had a fair number of injury issues of late, who isn't much better than what we already have in Fiala.

If a winger like Guentzel is the goal. Just resign Fiala this off-season and deal with the consequences later, keep the assets and move them for something else. You're wasting assets otherwise.


We’ll just have to disagree about the value here…. I do not value any of the Wild pieces as highly as you do.

And, I would trade Zuccarello for peanuts to make room to keep Guentzel and Fiala in a Wild sweater. Boldy, Fiala, Guentzel, and Kaprizov will be as good of a set of top 6 wingers as any team in the NHL and Ek and Rossi are plenty good to play between them.
 
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