IMO, you get a 1st back for Miller w/o conditions (Aside from maybe lotto protected or something like that...).

My thoughts-You're retaining 50% for 1.25 years=Krav.
Millers value-1st+Nils or Schneider.

I disagree, but appreciate your perspective and input.

I appreciate the response!

I guess I'd just see it as a loss from Vancouver's perspective...you're giving up a point per game guy that fills a major need in New York, and you're getting back a couple of prospects who have shown some serious warts early (Though they both still have solid ceilings), and a late 2nd. Your first major move as a new GM can absolutely not be a loss, and this has the *potential* to be. I feel like it's just too big of a question mark, I guess.

That being said, you're the Nucks fan, so if you're happy, cheers!

Honestly, I initially had the NYR second as a straight first but wasn't absolutely sure on the value at all so I just made it conditional. What do you see as Lundkvist's negatives, because I haven't really seen him play but I know he got NHL time this season and he is a recent first-round pick? Same with Kravtsov, obviously he wasn't happy to be left off the NHL roster this season so he requested a trade and got loaned to the KHL, but aside from that are there gaping holes in his game?

Lundkvist came in as a super-hyped Adam Fox-type dman. He's absolutely still young, and absolutely has a solid ceiling, but he's been pretty overwhelmed in his own zone while playing fairly sheltered minutes. Probably has a lot to do with jumping from Euro hockey to the NHL (Only 7 AHL games), but he's got a long way to go at this point.

With Kravtsov, I think you'll see people value him all over the board. He's producing reasonably well in the KHL, but it's not really the same game...I've seen people value him as if he's stil the 9th OA pick, and I've seen people value him like he's Lias Andersson. I honestly think it's somewhere in between.

I guess I just think there's a bit of shine that's worn off those two. They could absolutely both turn into extremely productive NHLers, but I think you can remove a lot of the question marks by changing that pick from 60thish OA to 25-32. At least you'd get the chance to pick your own prospect in case the other two fall off?

Really appreciate that insightful write up, I think I misunderstood your initial post as saying Miller is only worth a 1st + one of lundkvist/Schneider but I was trying to argue that he’s probably worth lundkvist/Schneider + kravtsov + a first. Either way I’m intrigued to see how this all turns out for both teams, because when I attempted to do a 2022/23 for the rangers it was a tough situation to navigate.

For sure! I think it really opens a window for the Rangers over the next two playoff runs that they *might* not have had. With Shesterkin playing like the GOAT, they should absolutely be trying to take advantage (IMO).

It's getting harder and harder to get teams to give up a 1st. The analytics just aren't there. It's stunting the growth of too many teams. See PIT, TOR,, Etc....
Teams just don't want to move that anymore. It use to be come TDL you'd see several moved. It's becoming more and more rare.

No way the Canucks retain 50% on Miller and not get a 1st or Schneider, if not both