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RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Puljujärvi, Jesse	8	$5,500,000
McLeod, Ryan	3	$1,250,000
Benson, Tyler	2	$875,000
Berglund, Filip	2	$825,000
Lagesson, William	1	$855,000
Appleton, Mason	3	$1,300,000
Niemeläinen, Markus	2	$762,000

UFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Kane, Evander	3	$3,425,000
Marody, Cooper	3	$850,000
Sheahan, Riley	2	$925,000
Kuemper, Darcy	5	$6,000,000
Hammond, Andrew	2	$900,000
Lyubushkin, Ilya	3	$1,550,000

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$82,500,000	$83,314,795	$896,000	$2,200,000	-$814,795

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Kane, Evander $3,425,000$3,425,000 LW, RW UFA - 4	McDavid, Connor $12,500,000$12,500,000 C NMC UFA - 4	Puljujärvi, Jesse $5,500,000$5,500,000 RW UFA - 1
Hyman, Zach $5,500,000$5,500,000 RW, LW NMC UFA - 6	Draisaitl, Leon $8,500,000$8,500,000 C, LW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 3	Hagel, Brandon $1,500,000$1,500,000 LW UFA - 2
Holloway, Dylan $925,000$925,000 ($500,000$500K) LW, C RFA - 2	Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan $5,125,000$5,125,000 LW, C NMC UFA - 7	Ryan, Derek $1,250,000$1,250,000 C, RW UFA - 1
McLeod, Ryan $1,250,000$1,250,000 C RFA - 1	Marody, Cooper $850,000$850,000 C, RW UFA - 2	Appleton, Mason $1,300,000$1,300,000 RW UFA - 3
Benson, Tyler $875,000$875,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Sheahan, Riley $925,000$925,000 LW, C UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Nurse, Darnell $9,250,000$9,250,000 LD NMC UFA - 8	Bouchard, Evan $863,333$863,333 ($850,000$850K) RD RFA - 1	Kuemper, Darcy $6,000,000$6,000,000 G UFA - 5
Broberg, Philip $863,333$863,333 ($850,000$850K) LD RFA - 2	Ceci, Cody $3,250,000$3,250,000 RD UFA - 3	Skinner, Stuart $750,000$750,000 G UFA - 1
Keith, Duncan $5,538,462$5,538,462 LD NMC UFA - 1	Lyubushkin, Ilya $1,550,000$1,550,000 RD UFA - 2
Niemeläinen, Markus $762,000$762,000 LD UFA - 2

Mar. 11, 2022 at 6:53 a.m.

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The bottom 6 is still too soft IMO. Also need some better centre depth so Drai can play on McDavid's wing more often.
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Mar. 11, 2022 at 7:15 a.m.

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Quoting: ceeque84

The bottom 6 is still too soft IMO. Also need some better centre depth so Drai can play on McDavid's wing more often.
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Why have drai and Mcdavid together? Mcdavid with jesse and drai on his own line has been statistically better for the team than drai and connor together. Mcdavid, Drai Nuge is a hell of a 3 headed monster down the middle. depth on the rw is the only key concern from the forwards for the team when healthy.

Mar. 11, 2022 at 7:59 a.m.

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Marody doesn't even play center in the AHL anymore. He's not an NHL option IMO.

I don't like the way you lost massive value in the Seattle and Chicago trades either. You seem a lot like Holland - you focus on a single target and keep offering more until you get it. The first rule of negotiation: be willing to walk away! In these cases you obviously weren't so Seattle and Chicago took advantage of you.

Mar. 11, 2022 at 8:58 a.m.

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Marody doesn't even play center in the AHL anymore. He's not an NHL option IMO.

I don't like the way you lost massive value in the Seattle and Chicago trades either. You seem a lot like Holland - you focus on a single target and keep offering more until you get it. The first rule of negotiation: be willing to walk away! In these cases you obviously weren't so Seattle and Chicago took advantage of you.

We need to dump barrie, any kinda value that we could get in such a deal would be a win.

Hagel will cost a lot I'm not going to sugarcoat it but, he is a versatile winger that is bigger, faster, and stronger than yamo ever will be at a good number long term that has a much needed scoring touch.

As soon as holloway is here, and if Kane gets re-signed, we'd have a 4th liner in Foegele making 2.7 which is not very economical given that we already have a 3mil 4th liner in kassian and an unmoveable 3rd pair dman making 5.5. moving the money is the biggest priority rn because as it stands, the oilers do not have the cap space to add a #1 goalie which is priority #1. Cap space is a valuable commodity and unless you are the yotes (intentionally losing every yr), dumping money comes at a price and Hollands' mistakes kinda force the oilers hand.

The roster on this thread, is bigger, stronger defensively, more cost effective, more balanced, and has legitimately a good tandem for the 1st time since the glory days. Marody can easily be an extra forward next yr no question. Between Sheahan, Marody, benson, Appleton, Ryan, and Mcleod there's are really good 4th line to be made. Holloway in this case doesn't get rushed to play top6 right away, and on top of that some bad money (Keith + dead space) comes off the books the following yr to make more adjustments where needed.

but I stand by this team (if healthy) can contend in the west

Mar. 11, 2022 at 9:14 a.m.

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We need to dump barrie, any kinda value that we could get in such a deal would be a win.

Hagel will cost a lot I'm not going to sugarcoat it but, he is a versatile winger that is bigger, faster, and stronger than yamo ever will be at a good number long term that has a much needed scoring touch.

As soon as holloway is here, and if Kane gets re-signed, we'd have a 4th liner in Foegele making 2.7 which is not very economical given that we already have a 3mil 4th liner in kassian and an unmoveable 3rd pair dman making 5.5. moving the money is the biggest priority rn because as it stands, the oilers do not have the cap space to add a #1 goalie which is priority #1. Cap space is a valuable commodity and unless you are the yotes (intentionally losing every yr), dumping money comes at a price and Hollands' mistakes kinda force the oilers hand.

The roster on this thread, is bigger, stronger defensively, more cost effective, more balanced, and has legitimately a good tandem for the 1st time since the glory days. Marody can easily be an extra forward next yr no question. Between Sheahan, Marody, benson, Appleton, Ryan, and Mcleod there's are really good 4th line to be made. Holloway in this case doesn't get rushed to play top6 right away, and on top of that some bad money (Keith + dead space) comes off the books the following yr to make more adjustments where needed.

but I stand by this team (if healthy) can contend in the west

Barrie isn't a cap dump, and Hagel isn't better than Yamamoto. Check out his unsustainable shooting percentage. It's a mirage. You know how I know? Because Yamamoto himself was shooting the lights out in his first half-season, but couldn't sustain it over the longer term.

You lost both trades because you're looking at hype and reputation rather than the facts.

Mar. 11, 2022 at 9:29 a.m.

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Barrie isn't a cap dump, and Hagel isn't better than Yamamoto. Check out his unsustainable shooting percentage. It's a mirage. You know how I know? Because Yamamoto himself was shooting the lights out in his first half-season, but couldn't sustain it over the longer term.

You lost both trades because you're looking at hype and reputation rather than the facts.

explain to me how barrie isn't a cap dump. he's a 4.5mil 3rd pair dman who's only real job can be done by Evan Bouchard and is a disaster defending. And guess who needs to be re-signed while barrie is under contract. Bouchard, Broberg, Puljijarvi, Mcleod, Yamo (if not traded). That's why I say if you can get any kinda of value back for an obsolete player like Barrie it'd be a win as long as the return is friendly to the cap.

at this point, I'd have more belief in Hagel at 1.5 for another 3yrs with a nice QO after. then having another grindy contract dispute with a guy who just isn't top6 material. I'd bet on something cost effective with a higher upside then with something that hasn't been working for 2 years now. plus we are moving foegele who'd be a 2.7mil 4th liner with holloway being called up. An when youre up against the cap and need to save every penny possible to get a goalie (thanks to Holland), he just becomes one of the 3 odd ones out.

Mar. 11, 2022 at 9:43 a.m.

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explain to me how barrie isn't a cap dump. he's a 4.5mil 3rd pair dman who's only real job can be done by Evan Bouchard and is a disaster defending. And guess who needs to be re-signed while barrie is under contract. Bouchard, Broberg, Puljijarvi, Mcleod, Yamo (if not traded). That's why I say if you can get any kinda of value back for an obsolete player like Barrie it'd be a win as long as the return is friendly to the cap.

at this point, I'd have more belief in Hagel at 1.5 for another 3yrs with a nice QO after. then having another grindy contract dispute with a guy who just isn't top6 material. I'd bet on something cost effective with a higher upside then with something that hasn't been working for 2 years now. plus we are moving foegele who'd be a 2.7mil 4th liner with holloway being called up. An when youre up against the cap and need to save every penny possible to get a goalie (thanks to Holland), he just becomes one of the 3 odd ones out.

Could you imagine Holland sitting down with mcdavid leon nurse and explaining to them after the pp struggles they have gone threw this year that barrie was a waste of money? A guy they all like a guy that has quarterbacked the pp to a historic level? I don’t agree at all but to fans that think barrie is a cap dump or waste need to consider the impact that will have on the locker room. Think it’s playing with fire among the core group.

Mar. 11, 2022 at 9:53 a.m.

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Could you imagine Holland sitting down with mcdavid leon nurse and explaining to them after the pp struggles they have gone threw this year that barrie was a waste of money? A guy they all like a guy that has quarterbacked the pp to a historic level? I don’t agree at all but to fans that think barrie is a cap dump or waste need to consider the impact that will have on the locker room. Think it’s playing with fire among the core group.

At this point the group wants to win. If dumping barrie gives the space needed to re-sign Jesse long-term or get a legit #1 goalie, I'm sure there will not be much complaining. They need to get better at defending and keeping goals out of the net and barrie doesn't help with either. If they would be pissed about moving on from a defensive liability (when they know he is cause these guys aren't stupid) to make the team better in areas of need, then that's an indictment on the core that's been preaching about wanting to win.

Mar. 11, 2022 at 9:59 a.m.

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explain to me how barrie isn't a cap dump. he's a 4.5mil 3rd pair dman who's only real job can be done by Evan Bouchard and is a disaster defending. And guess who needs to be re-signed while barrie is under contract. Bouchard, Broberg, Puljijarvi, Mcleod, Yamo (if not traded). That's why I say if you can get any kinda of value back for an obsolete player like Barrie it'd be a win as long as the return is friendly to the cap.

at this point, I'd have more belief in Hagel at 1.5 for another 3yrs with a nice QO after. then having another grindy contract dispute with a guy who just isn't top6 material. I'd bet on something cost effective with a higher upside then with something that hasn't been working for 2 years now. plus we are moving foegele who'd be a 2.7mil 4th liner with holloway being called up. An when youre up against the cap and need to save every penny possible to get a goalie (thanks to Holland), he just becomes one of the 3 odd ones out.

There's a lot to unpack here, not sure I have time to explain it all fully. By your comments you've already made up your mind about these guys, which proves my initial point in my first post.

Barrie is having a down year but he's still playing at a higher level than John Klingberg, yet Klingberg is widely expected to return a King's ransom at the deadline and score a massive contract in the summer. Your thinking on Barrie is illogical and doesn't match the facts. He led the league in points just last year and has been one of the leagues elite offensive producers for nearly a decade and you think he should be traded for a 4th liner?

As for Hagel, you completely ignored my initial point about his shooting percentage, so I'm not sure why I should continue. Yamamoto is in the top-100 forwards for 5v5 goals (2nd winger on the Oilers roster) yet you discount his ability to effectively play 2nd line without an iota of factual backup. His underlying numbers are better than Hagel's, all you're doing is grabbing the guy who's hit right now (and overpaying) while ignoring longer-term indicators.

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Mar. 11, 2022 at 10:42 a.m.

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There's a lot to unpack here, not sure I have time to explain it all fully. By your comments you've already made up your mind about these guys, which proves my initial point in my first post.

Barrie is having a down year but he's still playing at a higher level than John Klingberg, yet Klingberg is widely expected to return a King's ransom at the deadline and score a massive contract in the summer. Your thinking on Barrie is illogical and doesn't match the facts. He led the league in points just last year and has been one of the leagues elite offensive producers for nearly a decade and you think he should be traded for a 4th liner?

As for Hagel, you completely ignored my initial point about his shooting percentage, so I'm not sure why I should continue. Yamamoto is in the top-100 forwards for 5v5 goals (2nd winger on the Oilers roster) yet you discount his ability to effectively play 2nd line without an iota of factual backup. His underlying numbers are better than Hagel's, all you're doing is grabbing the guy who's hit right now (and overpaying) while ignoring longer-term indicators.

My trade just reflects how I value Barrie but, As I stated if you can get value for Barrie that doesn't kill the cap space that'd be ideal. Obviously the higher value you get for him the better. If he gets you a return close to what klingberg would get, oilers fans would rejoice. I think his value is not great this yr at all but then again ristolainen was just given the bag so NHL GM's definitely have there own ways of thinking. He just isn't a fit in edmonton anymore and that 4.5 can be used to address the defensive woes that have plagued the team. Bouchard has made barrie obsolete while having an ELC till the end of next year.

I get why yamo would be nice to keep but, he needs to be re-signed and judging from the last contract negotiations, I don't see him giving up an inch of space for management to work with. Hagel on the other hand is at a bargain 1.5 though 23-24 and then is still a rfa with a 2.25 QO. Also Both JFresh and Luszczyszyn models have Hagel as a much better all-around player than yamo Offensively and defensively. He's playing like a complete top6 guy (their models focus on xGF/xGA and WAR categories). If an out of contract yamo and a 1st gets you a bargain legit T6 player for years and an eh pick it should be done in a heartbeat. Ask yourself would Chicago do yamo fo hagel 1for1 or anything close to 1for1. Probably not.

Mar. 11, 2022 at 11:46 a.m.

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At this point the group wants to win. If dumping barrie gives the space needed to re-sign Jesse long-term or get a legit #1 goalie, I'm sure there will not be much complaining. They need to get better at defending and keeping goals out of the net and barrie doesn't help with either. If they would be pissed about moving on from a defensive liability (when they know he is cause these guys aren't stupid) to make the team better in areas of need, then that's an indictment on the core that's been preaching about wanting to win.

The team has played fine 5-5 for awhile defensively they have shown large improvements since woodcroft took over by having the forwards commit to supporting the d more. They need special teams to start clicking I don’t think Holland is foolish enough to sit down with the core group and call his historic pp quarterback a cap dump. Not to mention really think by the way the team speaks of barrie he’s a very very valued part of the locker room. People talk about Keith’s leadership but let’s not act like barrie doesn’t bring a ton of experience and relaxed calm positive attitude I’d argue as for leadership qualities within that room barrie is extremely important.

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The team has played fine 5-5 for awhile defensively they have shown large improvements since woodcroft took over by having the forwards commit to supporting the d more. They need special teams to start clicking I don’t think Holland is foolish enough to sit down with the core group and call his historic pp quarterback a cap dump. Not to mention really think by the way the team speaks of barrie he’s a very very valued part of the locker room. People talk about Keith’s leadership but let’s not act like barrie doesn’t bring a ton of experience and relaxed calm positive attitude I’d argue as for leadership qualities within that room barrie is extremely important.

Youre missing the point, 5V5 and on PP production/60 bouch exceeds what barrie already does at 3.7mil cheaper. woodcroft has improved the team overall system but its a small sample size compared to massive sample size of barrie being a defensive liability. The #1 issue that this team has had for ages is that they do not have a legit starter that can get them to the next level. If you're going to tell me that mcdavid and drai and all the other core guys are going to be pissed next yr if barrie isn't there but a legit #1 goalie is then maybe they don't want to win as much as they say they do. 3.7 on top of a kassian dump gets you enough space for a legit starting goalie, if Holland passes on the opportunity and decides barrie over a goalie, this team will be at best 1st round exists till the star have had enough.

When you go all-in, you need the right pieces to do so, Barrie does not get this team over any hump, a legit #1 goalie does and there's no reasonable argument to be made against that statement.

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		Smith, Mike $2,200,000$2,200,000 G UFA - 1

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