Crouse is worth significantly more than that. Start with Mukhamadullin or Stillman

I couldn't be lower on these guys and I wouldn't even consider moving them for Crouse lol

You underrate Crouse then, simple as that. He is easily worth a 1st+

Don’t think Arizona is moving crouse for anything less than an overpay of a 1st and a good prospect, Armstrong has pretty much said as much

Crouse is worth significantly more than that. Start with Mukhamadullin or Stillman

GSVA (last 3 years and this year's projection): 0.4, 0.1, -0.1, 0.7
WAR Percentile (TopDownHockey): 49, 5, 65
WAR percentile (Evolving Hockey): 52.7 (this year only, sorry)

His microstats are awful, too. I'm not underrating him. I'm judging him on his body of work and not a single season. Stillman and Shakir can be used to fetch better, more consistent, and maybe even younger forwards.

The rumors are arizona wants johnsson and nj wants crouse. Maybe Stillman instead of the draft pick could work but not Mukhamadullin. That 2nd rounder is almost a 1st since it will be around 37th overall, so with stillman being a late 1st rounder it is not much different in terms of value.

Ok well unless you are willing to trade this year's 1st (unlikely) then you wont be adding him. I offered Alnfelt and the 2023 1st for Crouses rights in the offseason and got laughed at. He is a big physical 2-way power forward that fights, scores, and PK's. And he's not a rental. Pretty great package all around, brings so much more to the table than WAR percentiles, look at projected asking prices for Chiarot and he is a far below replacement level player according to WAR

I like the Garland trade, it's definitely fair value.
Zacha, Tatar and Johnsson are all quite expendable, good to get two of them out of the club.

I fail to see the point in trading for Crouse, in part due to that I don't believe him to be an upgrade at all over Johnsson.
But also the fact that it leaves Holtz (and possibly Thompson, Foote and Kuokkanen) out of the lineup.
That's bad asset management.

Since you already packaged Zacha for Garland it'd be fine to just trade Johnsson to ARI for a 2nd, that'd likely be an early pick which could be packaged into some other trade further down the line.
Or even better to use Johnsson to try and pry Vejmelka away from the desert, or for an RHD should Walsh not yet be ready for the NHL.

Swapping Crouse for ARI 2nd, I'd do the forward lines like this:
Sharangovich - Hughes - Mercer
Bratt - Hischier - Holtz
Tatar (or Thompson / Foote / Kuokkanen) - Boqvist - Garland
Wood - McLeod - Bastian

Three lines to dominate the puck and one crashline.
And still plenty of depth.
My point is, you really don't need Crouse in this lineup.
(You don't really need Garland either but he'd most definitely improve the team overall at least)

fwiw, I'm perfectly cool with a Crouse/AJ swap. I think their value is similar and Crouse has team control. Its a lateral swap in terms of pure players for the Devils, which is fine when you consider the age and control. Way more iffy on adding a 2nd. Especially when the devils seem to get burned on those traded 2nds.

rumors where? Why would Arizona have any remote interest in Johnsson?

I mean, in theory if you're bringing things to the table that contribute to wins, it would show up in your Wins Above Replacement, don't you think?

One of the biggest head scratchers for me is why people think a player's contributions to wins, with things like fights, hits, or PKing, would be unquantifiable. If those things are working, they should show up in the numbers no?

Regardless, GMs overvaluing Chairot to an egregious degree shouldn't impact what we're willing to pay for bad/average players.

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Thank you for explaining to the class why not only looking at 1 stat does not give the whole picture but looking at stats in general does not tell you everything.

As an avid user in analytics myself I still see the value in Crouse and how effective he is, as well as his potential. If Palat prices himself out of Tampa I think he is an excellent replacement for that line

You underrate Crouse then, simple as that. He is easily worth a 1st+

18 goals is nice but he’s barely .5 ppg. Pass.

Why are we arguing over a third liner? We should be adding to the top 6

I mean the issue is that /zero/ stats would point to Crouse as a piece worth Stillman or Shakir lol