Why would MTL trade someone who's not currently against their cap since he's on LTIR for over 10M in cap? They're also rebuilding so why are they taking 2 vets with big contracts?

Detroit declines, Hoffman isn't worth his contract.

Because trading practically nothing for guys you could retain salary on and trade at next years deadline would be a good rebuilding move, no?

Detroit passes, Our top 9 is basically set no room for Hoffman, And Martinez isn't waiving for Montreal as all Canadian teams are on his no trade list. Martinez would come home to Detroit before waiving for Montreal.

Dadonov, maybe since he's up next year but martinez has like 3 Years left they won't want to retain on him unless it's a drastic overpay they're receiving. MTL is close to the cap already and this takes 2 Roster spots away from young guys, not ideal for a team rebuilding.

I feel like Martinez and another vet would be good adds for Detroit if they don't want to thrust Edvinsson into a top-4 role right away.

My understanding, and it could be slightly off, is:
-LTIR isn't a super great thing when it comes to the fact that it forces you to push performance bonus overages to the following year, which lowers the amount that you can actually spend cap-wise.
-Players aren't actually on LTIR in the offseason. Given that a team can go 10% over the cap in the offseason, having a $7.8ish mil cap hit on the books actually limits your ability when it comes to changing your roster.

The just of it is that taking on a multi-year LTIR contract like Weber's is extremely prohibitive to teams that typically spend to the cap ceiling.

Realistically, Vegas needs to dump Dadonov (Which they've already shown they can do-it's not like the cost is overly prohibitive), and, if they want to have a bit of breathing room, they'll likely have to shed about $2 mil more (Which would have them at about $76 mil with a 16 players signed ($6.5 ish mil space). Hague and Roy are the only two that will likely see decent sized raises. Worst case, if you're handcuffed and can't get someone to take Martinez (I don't think he's a dump...yet), his buyout isn't actually that bad, and would get the team the space that they need after shedding Dadonov.

Martinez is one of the options available for Detroit. We need one or two veterans on the left side depending on how well Walman and Juolevi play these last few games. We need one defensively rock solid player to pair with Hronek and we need someone to QB our PP2.

My personal opinion is that Edvinsson (and the other prospects) should start in GR next season in order to get used to playing on NHL-sized ice. One of the targets is Marcus Pettersson in PIT, he'd be perfect to pair with Hronek. The player to pair with Seider could be Schmidt (WPG) or Martinez (or even Scandella) depending on their price to acquire and how Yzerman values their qualities.

Not sure what his price would be, but Gavrikov would be a great defense-first type partner for Hronek and Columbus is a bit overstocked on LD.

Pettersson beats him on stats. Marcus has 50% more takeaways than giveaways and also hits more than Gavrikov. I also think that Yzerman would value the longer contract of Pettersson, he's hinted at that in interviews.

Detroit is getting past the one-year-veteran period of our rebuild, we're now heading into the getting-the-right-pieces period. Pettersson is also looking to be a cheap acquisition due to PIT being forced to trade him (or Matheson) due to both cap problems and them also having three youngsters on LD losing their waiver exemption this summer.

Not that I want Hoffman or want to trade Ernie because I don't but the is the most reasonable Montreal to Detroit trade I've ever seen. After all those horrible Petry trades at least this one doesn't make me throw up in the back of my mouth.