Getting another goalie and signing Subban and Perron

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Created by: Blazingbat11

Team: 2022-23 Montreal Canadiens

Initial Creation Date: May 27, 2022

Published: May 27, 2022

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So if Price LTRetires, I think Hughes will go out and try and get another Goalie. I doubt he sticks with the same tandem of Allen, Montembeault, Primeau.

I went for Driedger because he had an abysmal season in Seattle, but had solid number a few years ago. So hoping he can return to form. Armia is in the same boat as Driedger as having an abysmal season, but having solid seasons previously. Both are signed to crappy contracts, and at a similar cap hit. Adding Montembeault as an incentive for Seattle to get a younger goaltender in their system, and to compensate for the additional year on Armia's contract.

UFA signings are:

Perron - Veteran top 6 forward to help insulate Wright.

Subban - Low risk, very high reward signing. If Subban can recapture any of the magic he had when he was in MTL, it would be amazing. Not to mention the fans would love seeing him back.

Deslauriers - Depth signing. Everyone liked him when he was here, and is a better "muscle" option than Pezzetta. Can also easily come out of the lineup when Drouin is healthy.

Murray - Depth signing. Definitely someone who has fallen out of grace in the NHL. Low risk signing that can come in the lineup if the Habs rookie dman (Barron, Guhle, Harris, etc.) can't perform.

Free Agent Signings

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Primeau, Cayden	2	$925,000
Romanov, Alexander	3	$3,500,000
Pitlick, Rem	1	$2,125,000
Pezzetta, Michael	1	$750,000

UFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Subban, P.K.	2	$2,500,000
Perron, David	2	$6,500,000
Deslauriers, Nicolas	1	$1,000,000
Murray, Ryan	1	$1,000,000

CREATED		YEARS	CAP HIT
Wright, Shane		3	$925,000

Trades

MTL

2022 2nd round pick (DAL)

Additional Details:

Could be more if MTL retain salary

MTL

Something

ARI

Weber, Shea

MTL

Driedger, Chris

SEA

Armia, Joel
Montembeault, Samuel [RFA Rights]

Buyouts

Karl Alzner: $833,333

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2022
2023
2024

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
22	$82,500,000	$75,609,999	$1,132,500	$1,482,500	$6,890,001

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
van Riemsdyk, James $7,000,000$7,000,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Suzuki, Nick $7,875,000$7,875,000 C UFA - 8	Caufield, Cole $880,833$880,833 ($850,000$850K) LW, RW UFA - 1
Perron, David $6,500,000$6,500,000 RW, LW UFA - 2	Wright, Shane $925,000$925,000	Anderson, Josh $5,500,000$5,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 5
Pitlick, Rem $2,125,000$2,125,000 LW, RW UFA - 2	Dvorak, Christian $4,450,000$4,450,000 C UFA - 3	Gallagher, Brendan $6,500,000$6,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 5
Deslauriers, Nicolas $1,000,000$1,000,000 LW, RW UFA - 4	Evans, Jake $1,700,000$1,700,000 C UFA - 3	Byron, Paul $3,400,000$3,400,000 LW, RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Edmundson, Joel $875,000$875,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Subban, P.K. $2,500,000$2,500,000 RD UFA
Romanov, Alexander $3,500,000$3,500,000 LD RFA - 3	Savard, David $3,500,000$3,500,000 RD UFA - 3	Allen, Jake $2,875,000$2,875,000 G UFA - 1
Guhle, Kaiden $863,333$863,333 ($420,000$420K) LD/RD RFA - 3	Barron, Justin $925,000$925,000 ($212,500$212K) RD RFA - 2	Driedger, Chris $3,500,000$3,500,000 G M-NTC UFA - 2

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Poehling, Ryan $750,000$750,000 C, LW UFA - 1	Drouin, Jonathan $5,500,000$5,500,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 1	Price, Carey $10,500,000$10,500,000 G NMC UFA - 4
Murray, Ryan $1,000,000$1,000,000 LD UFA - 1

May 27, 2022 at 12:28 p.m.

Poehling

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Schueneman is better than Murray just sign him
I don’t like your 4th line, you got two guys with speed and Deslauriers … while you’re sitting Poehling … I think Deslauriers gets more money and terms anyway
I really don’t understand why people are trading Petry

May 27, 2022 at 12:31 p.m.

Riley816

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What happens if Price doesn't LTRetires??

I doubt Philly wants to trade veteran leadership, JVR, for the man no team wanted to re-sign over the last 3 free agency periods. Montreal fans are now realizing why really good organizations, StL/Fla, wanted nothing to do with Hoffman once his contract expired.

May 27, 2022 at 12:42 p.m.

willinlisbon

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Edited May 27, 2022 at 12:51 p.m.

Quoting: Riley816

The other way to look at it is
after being an average 25 goal scorer per year over 4 years - he became too expensive for Ottawa to re sign
After being an average 30 goal scorer per year over 2 years - he became too expensive for Florida to re sign.
1 year (shortened season) 15 goals, 30+ points in 50 games - he became too expensive for STL to re sign.

If you look at last year, he suffered the same fate as the WHOLE roster suffered - terribly under performing across ALL areas.

Jt wasn't just Hoffman.

That being said, I think we should move him to make room on the roster for youngsters coming in.

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May 27, 2022 at 12:42 p.m.

Blazingbat11

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Quoting: Poehling

People are trading Petry because Hughes said he would if he could. No guarantee, but I honestly believe he will (and I think he'll get a lot better value than what I'm proposing here, but posting that on here will just attract trolls lol)

Yeah I agree for the 4th line, I see it being Pitlick - Evans - Byron long term, It's just that Drouin is out of the lineup here (and will most likely miss the beginning of the season).

Wasn't a huge fan of Shueneman, not that he wasn't playing good, but I really didn't see anything special in his game. Would rather look elsewhere (doesn't need to be Murray). If we sign Shueneman, I hope it strictly for Laval, and if injuries pile up again, then maybe calling him up.

May 27, 2022 at 12:50 p.m.

willinlisbon

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if Dreidger is who you're eyeing as back up - might as well sign Motembeault
I dont' see the need for Deslauriers when we have cheaper options in Pezzetta and Poehling.
The same with Murray when we can just re sign Scheuneman and Wideman for cheaper, or use any of the options we have in Laval.
I do like the idea of Subban and Perron signings - but I think Perron at this stage and age in his career will be seeking a longer term and on a contender or at the very least, playoff team.

May 27, 2022 at 12:56 p.m.

Blazingbat11

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Quoting: Riley816

If Price doesn't LTIRetire.....it changes the whole dynamic of the offseason. Clearing out other contracts becomes a higher priority.

For Philly and JVR, I think it makes sense. Hoffman is a PP specialist and PHI had the leagues worst PP last year. Add that they would be freeing up $2.5mil in cap space without losing offensive production and hopefully improve their PP. Habs would also be one of the few teams that would be willing to take JVR's contract with no retention (If Price is gone...)

May 27, 2022 at 12:59 p.m.

willinlisbon

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Quoting: Blazingbat11

Yeah I agree for the 4th line, I see it being Pitlick - Evans - Byron long term, It's just that Drouin is out of the lineup here (and will most likely miss the beginning of the season)

Byron is a UFA next summer and wont' be re-signed.
long term (next 3-4 years), I think it will be Pitlick, Evans and Vedjemo (his versatility is much similar to that of Byron and much cheaper)

May 27, 2022 at 1:05 p.m.

Blazingbat11

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Quoting: willinlisbon

As I mentioned in my explanation, If Price is actually gone, I don't see Hughes going back to the tandem he had this past season. Wasn't eyeing Dreidger specifically. To be honest, I'm just trying to move Armia's contract without giving up picks or prospects lol I've just been looking for a player in a similar situation to him that could fit with MTL's team needs, and Driedger fits (If Price LTIRetires).

see one of my previous replies as to what I think of Deslauriers and Shueneman. As for Wideman...he was terrible defensively... just look elsewhere and see if you can find someone better. Doesn't need to be Murray

May 27, 2022 at 1:09 p.m.

Blazingbat11

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Quoting: willinlisbon

Byron is a UFA next summer and wont' be re-signed.
long term (next 3-4 years), I think it will be Pitlick, Evans and Vedjemo (his versatility is much similar to that of Byron and much cheaper)

Sorry, when I wrote "long term" I just meant in the context of next season. I have no doubt that Hughes will look to trade Byron at the trade deadline. Actual long term, who knows what it will look like, the 4th line has been a revolving door for the past decade. (I miss when it was Perry - Staal - Armia....sigh...)

May 27, 2022 at 1:11 p.m.

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willinlisbon

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Quoting: Blazingbat11

I've proposed on a number of my AGM's to buy out Armia instead of trading him.
Whatever comes back will have salary attached and it kind of defeats the purpose after that.
his first year BO would be 1.6M, second would be -100K, 3rd 800K, 4 5 &6 years - 1.2M

May 27, 2022 at 1:19 p.m.

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Quoting: willinlisbon

Zero chance they buy him out. I can almost guarantee that. He's not useless, if anything he becomes the new "Byron", as in overpaid bottom 6 forward. and on the off-chance he has a bounce back season, then you can move or just keep him.

The deal with Dreidger is just me repositioning a bad contract, in a position where it doesn't hurt the team as much. (Habs would be looking / spending for another goalie anyway if Price is gone.) Buying Armia out is punishing the team from cap space in years Hughes will be expecting the team to be good (3 years + from now).

May 27, 2022 at 4:02 p.m.

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Poehling

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Quoting: willinlisbon

Armia is too good to be buyout
No way he stinks again like he did last season

May 27, 2022 at 5:44 p.m.

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willinlisbon

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Quoting: Poehling

Armia is too good to be buyout
No way he stinks again like he did last season

I agree he's better than what he showed this past season, but there are other/cheaper options for bottom 6 that can bring in the same kind of production.

May 27, 2022 at 5:53 p.m.

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Poehling

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Quoting: willinlisbon

I agree he's better than what he showed this past season, but there are other/cheaper options for bottom 6 that can bring in the same kind of production.

I know Ylönen is already better but buying out contracts always bite your in the ass later

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May 27, 2022 at 7:40 p.m.

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willinlisbon

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Quoting: Poehling

I know Ylönen is already better but buying out contracts always bite your in the ass later

only if your Guerin

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