Don't like it. Carrick isn't a top pairing defender and Montour, Manson, Theodore, Fowler, Lindholm, and Vatanen are all better IMO. Good player, but I'd take Manson every time.

Am I missing something? Vermette has a NMC, he has to be protected from Vegas.

Vermette does NOT have a NMC. It falls of before the Draft.

Nate i agree completely. This team is way worse with that trade.

As a Leafs fan I think you Anaheim guys are overvaluing Manson a weeeeeee bit. Everyone is overlooking JVR. Trade is just ok imo but lets break it down a lil bit:

JVR for Manson - Close on value but I give the edge to Manson. Hard to compare with two very different positions

Carrick, Lindberg, Leivo for Cogliano, Jones and a 5th - This is where the trade evens up. Leivo is going to be a very good 2nd liner. Big body and very young. Carrick is a 2nd pairing D most likely a 4 guy who will play bottom pairing minutes in Anaheim. Also young. Lindberg is also a big body and a bottom 6 guy.

Cogliano is a smallish forward with some skill but not a 30 goal guy like JVR. Toronto seems to like these types of guys. Jones is an ex London Knight and our Asst. GM owns that team so he knows what he will get with Jones. Big body with a bit of skill.....Bigger version of Andrew Shaw.

Definitely does not make Anaheim weaker. Shedding some salary and adding big wingers and a ton of scoring for a VERY good shutdown guy and some salary.

I retract the shedding salary part. We would have to retain some salary and that pick goes from a 5th to a 3rd.

Also I would swap Lindberg for Bracco or Dermott

Oh god, I haven't seen such a wrong post in awhile. Where to even start...

Manson has more value than JVR and it's not even a discussion. Manson is a top 4 RHD, physical, puck moving D. And he's insanely cheap and will be a RFA at the end of next season. JVR is a one dimensional winger who is not a consistent 30/30 player, plus he's a UFA at the end of next season and they would be no way the Ducks could re-sign him; so he would be a rental. Manson > JVR and it's not close.

Carrick would be below Theo, Montour, Larsson on the depth chart here. Literally zero value to us. Leivo is going to be a good 2nd liner? He's 23 and barely played on a weak forward group in Toronto. No thanks, no value there for us. Lindberg is another meh prospect, not worth trading Cogs for. Jones is a better prospect with higher upside than any of Carrick, Leivo, Lindberg. Also, Jones is jsut a bigger version of Shaw, LOL.

Also, you don't know a single thing about Cogs do you? Current active Iron Man leader in the league, never missed a game in his NHL career. Which means he's incredible healthy, but he also plays good enough to be on a top NHL team over the year. There's more to being a good player than scoring goals, Cogs is, strong, smart, gives 110% every **** and is great defenvisely. He is a key to the Ducks shutdown line with Kes and Silf.

This makes Anaheim ******* terrible. We lose a key defensive player in Cogs. We lose a the only great physical D we have, who also makes Fowler and Lindholm better. And we lose out 2nd best forward prospect behind Steel. And what do we get in return?

An inconsistent rental winger for one season, who may not even show up in the playoffs like he did this season. A defensemen that we have literally zero need for. A prospect leaning towards bust terriorty, and a worse and older version of a prospect we already have (Jones > Lindberg).

Terrible proposal and terrible logic all around.

Also those UFA signings are terrible. No way would I give Bones or Eaves that kind of money.