Jets and Yotes should add for those

Jets Decline
Zero need for LD, LW, or another young C
A 3rd won’t cut it

Lol… not likely.
Jets would be subtracting… everything… because this trade does absolutely nothing for us

To answer your question, I don't know, man. That defense is still worrying.

If Scheifele is traded it won't be for an LD and garbage.

Doesn’t meet Philly’s needs either. Hurts more than it helps.was just going off flat value.

Flat value heavily favors Philly as well.

Lol
No

Definitely.

PPG 1C on a great contact>>okay 2nd pairing LD with a bad contract.

Top 4 D>> struggling bottom six player.

A long shot prospect and a late pick and little to no value.

I said LOL, you don’t need to explain how you don’t value players properly

This team didn’t get much better at any position than last year, may have gotten worse actually

Lol. Good rebuttal. You have nothing to back your biased evalution so just tell me to "not bring silly things like facts into the discussion."

Just by this I can tell the other guy was right about you not knowing how to value players. You said Provorov is okay as a top D and just said Dillion is top 4

Provorov has way, way more value than Dillion

I’d say Provorov and Scheifele are pretty even. Would be a fair hockey trade if either team needed that. They don’t both sides can debate this till they are blue in the face but there really isn’t much of a difference between what they should realistically haul in with the same GM

Frost and Dillion are probably a wash as well. Frost definitely has more value but basing off the the most recent TDL I’d say they are pretty even.

A good prospect and a 3rd isn’t major difference, but I’d say it’s enough to point out the Jets would win this by more than they should

Nah, there’s just a few people on this site that are some of the most asinine and arrogant people to deal with… you’re easily top three. You’d that JaredofLondon guy and McAvoy73 all are some of the biggest homers I’ve ever talked to

Just by your reply I can yell that you're using biased judgement in player evaluations. I think we can all agree that Provorov is good, but he is a 2nd pairing defenseman that is being paid as a top pairing defenseman, which hurts his value. Then factor in that Provorov is an LD, which are fairly easy to come by. If he was a right shot D. He would have more value.

Scheifele on the other hand plays the hardest of all positions in hockey to fill, 1C. And does it at a consistent PPG pace over the past 6 seasons. Plus he has a great contract to boot.

So, there is no world in which a relatively easy to find left shot second pairing defenseman has the value of a consistent PPG 1C. That also isn't factoring in that the last thing Winnipeg needs in any trade is a left defenseman.

Frost and Dillon are close to a wash, but a contributing top 4 defenseman is still worth moe than a struggling bottom six player.

A 3rd and a prospect that has pretty much zero chance at making the NHL, don't do anything to close the gap between Scheifele and Provorov.

Winnipeg loses this trade by a landslide, which is why it was proposed by a Flyers fan. When have you ever seen a trade on here where the proposer even tries to give close to fair value for a player they want? What maybe 1 in 100?

Try and judge the value without bias against the Jets. Just look at the players involved.

So you're crying because you can't come up with any rational arguments to back you extemely biased viewpoint, so you accuse others of doing what you do?

Seriously, when you don't try to back an opinion with any facts or statics and just use "lol" because you have nothing intelligent to debate with, it kind of says a lot about you. I've seen you're other posts, I know you're a huge homer. Try and actually discuss things. That's what we're all here for.

I get it, you're a fan, your don't want to hear the truth from people saying that you can't get star players for underperforming players on your roster.

Trust me, I have no bias either way. They are all good players involved

No, just that you, like the other two stooges, are stubborn. While I debate with people and they say something I haven’t thought of or prove me wrong, I’ll change my views.

Because being intelligent means not being close minded

You on the other hand double down

I haven't doubled down on anything. I've provided some facts, you've come back with hurt feelings and "lol's" because you have nothing to refute any of my points.

It seems you are very close minded and won't discuss anything that goes against your preconceived biases.

I’ve debated with you before. I know how it goes. I’ll use stats and advanced statistics to make a point and you’ll say that doesn’t matter and the jets players are always worth more. Im sure you think Scheifele is more valuable than Coots as well.

Funny thing is, there’s a 3rd party here who isn’t a jets or Flyers fan and you immediately dismissed him… so my point is pretty solid

I haven't seen any stats or anything from you in this thread with any advanced stats or anything. All jet fans have said it's a bad deal for the Jets and you're clinging to one oiler fan that obviously has an agenda and a preconceived notion of value. I don't normally dismiss anyone's opinion, unless it's based on social media rumours and not on anything of substance.

If we move away from value, since were both probably biased to our own favourite teams, I think I've alsolaid out why it doesn't work for Winnipeg needs wise. Which would be the main reason the Jets turn it down.

If you have anything to back up your opinion I'd like to see it and discuss, so let me know if you have anything.

If not, even though we don't agree, one enjoyed our banter here.

BatVader mentioned how the trade does nothing to fit the oilers needs, nor does it help fill the Flyers… might actually make bigger holes for both our squads.

The oilers fan pretty much covered what I would’ve said in terms of flat value.