Yep, it would be a new look. Except none of those teams give up so much for those expensive Leafs.

Marner isn't returning much with Sandin being in the trade, and the return for Nylander isn't excessive.

Marner is a consistent 100 point player and would’ve scored 40 goals last year if he were healthy. He’s worth way more than what got Brandon Hagel.

chicago dint get a dawson mercer type of player, very far from it, and those picks should be mid round compared to dead last,

You have to be kidding. Jersey would hundred times better off signing a UFA like Gaudreau (for the Marner $$$$) keeping Mercer and the two likely lottery picks, instead of trading for 3 years of Marner, the middling Engvall but Sandin is good value with years of control
.Yes the Nylander is so impractical for Nashville. Could sign a good short term UFA for 7m X 2, keep 1.4 Tovalian and the 2nd first rounders. Isn't it ridiculous silly that that Leafs could get three good assets for 7m X 2 Nylander and then the Leafs sign a good UFA like Nichuskin for 6m X 4?
And the Kerfoot trades. I like Kerfoot but he isn't worth 2 picks to non playoff team which will still miss the playoffs.

Signing Gaudreau would probably result in them losing guys too, if they win that haul for 3-years of Marner wouldn't matter.


As for the Nylander trade, that's the cost of trading for a made player, if they lose Forsberg that trade makes sense for them.

The Kerfoot thing isn't a big deal if they like him and sign him

The Leafs COULD go get all these guys but realistically speaking they probably wouldn't get them all in Free Agency unless they are paying more.

New Jersey wouldn’t be at the bottom of the league adding a package like that and very possibly drafting Cooley with the second overall,

Ah no. Your Jersey comment makes absolutely no sense. How does Gaudreau cost Jersey "losing players, but acquiring 11m Marner doesn't
Kerfoot thing is a big deal.....giving up two picks for a guy who might resign. Seattle just sign him as UFA next summer of 2023 as a UFA
There are lots of good UFA available for about 7m or less that don't cost three great assets.
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finishing in the wildcard because you score like half the goals would certainly be a new identity

Signing Gaudreau to a long-term deal, at a cap hit that would likely be similar if not more than Marner's (if he hits the market he probably gets 10-11m+ x7) can also lead to the team bleeding assets in the future. In the aftermath of that trade, if they lost Marner after 3 years, they are essentially losing Mercer and a 1st. Who is to say that they wouldn't lose Holtz or Mercer down the road because they signed Gaudreau to 7 years?

Plus Marner is a more complete player than Gaudreau, they would be losing a good player in Mercer with a contract but, they are getting Sandin who has a ton of upside and Engvall who is also a useful cheap player. So, the motivation of such a trade from NJ's perspective would be winning in the next 3 years. That being said, I do think Jersey should stick with guys that they can sign for under Hughes hit or around it, so that they end up with 5-6 Elite players in their top six in the long-term.

Kerfoot is eligible for an extension, they have a ton of picks and they can trade for him if they expect to sign him soon. The Leafs can allow Seattle to talk to him if they want. Maybe they can sign him next year, maybe not. You do realize people trade picks (even if they are late ones) just for a chance to sign a guy for 8 years/ talk to him before other teams. Trading for Kerfoot would give Seattle a chance to actually see how well he fits or doesn't fit before committing money to him, so there is value in that.

Plus, the notion that teams shouldn't trade for guys on 1 or 2 year deals except as rentals is just silly.

No, it's the worse homerism to think a non playoff team in going to great picks for guys on two or three rentals, especially when there are UFAs available.

Sandin alone is worth a 1st round pick. Mercer will be a great player, but him and whoever is taken with the other mid-1st will be nowhere close to a Marner caliber player

Do you really think NJ signed Hamilton and Hamilton signed with them with the expectation that they aren't going to push for a playoff spot? They probably think they are 2 pieces away from being competitive, a reliable goalie and a goal scorer, while Marner isn't either of those. I'm sure they would be intrigued at the very least to acquire a guy who is probably in every executives top 15 players who also has a defensive aspect to his game. Especially since they are getting Sandin as well.

Nashville can choose to go down the rebuild path or try acquiring a Forsberg replacement, the picks would be protected.

The only way Toronto even wins any of those trades is if they strike gold with the picks which isn't a guarantee, and if they successfully manage to reallocate the cap in all those guys and they click together.

You are acting as if Mercer and Tolvanen are franchise players or that no one misses with first round picks. So far Marner and Nylander have had better starts to their careers than the former two. You are fixated on them being "rentals" (but they aren't even returning an astronomical amount) and Toronto being able to take advantage of the new found cap.

Even if Toronto gets someone that is as good as Marner and Mercer grows to be that good, if NJ wins the Stanley Cup with Marner. They don't know that they will win with Marner or who they could draft, but they do know that Marner is better than Mercer now. If the cap/team build makes sense to them, they would take the trade, maybe they offer more to keep Mercer but at the very least. They would consider that offer in real-life.

Thanks for seeing my side of the discussion. Yes NJ signed Hamilton with the expectation of pushing for a playoff spot at some time. He's signed for another five years and Jersey didn't have to give anything for him.
Don't know where you have this illusion that Nashville is rebuilding if Forsberg leaves as a UFA. Gee they sign another UFA...like Palat and be almost as good and keep their young assets.

No, I'm not acting like Mercer and Tolvanen are franchise players. But neither is Nylander at 7m. Gee you think Marner about the 15th best player If that's the case he shouldn't be paid in the top 6.

I didn't say Nsh is rebuilding if they lose Forsberg. I said they can choose to go down that path, but I don't think they would. You are saying they shouldn't give up assets because they can sign FAs. They can sign Palat but he's probably not going to replace Forsberg's production. If they couldn't retain Forsberg, then you can expect them to not go pay a ton for a replacement in FAs. If they acquire Nylander, in a trade they can still sign people (free assets!) but a Forsberg replacement is going to cost more on the free market than he is demanding . A Forsberg replacement is going to cost more than Nylander on the free market. If you think Nylander is a bad fit in NSH that's a different story, but your arguments for not giving up an asset for a player with short-term is silly, since they can still potentially sign him, and they aren't giving up astronomical amount of assets either.

Whether Marner deserves to be paid 11m isn't my concern, and I said he would be considered among the top 15th by any exec, doesn't mean he isn't considered top 10.