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Conditional Murray trade

Created by: justaBoss
Team: 2022-23 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 10, 2022
Published: Jul. 10, 2022
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
6$6,666,667
3$2,500,000
2$1,750,000
2$1,400,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$6,500,000
Trades
1.
OTT
    Future considerations
    ARI
    1. Järventie, Roby
    2. Zaitsev, Nikita
    3. 2023 2nd round pick (OTT)
    4. 2023 7th round pick (NSH)
    2.
    OTT
    1. Scott, Ian [RFA Rights]
    2. 2024 2nd round pick (TOR)
    Additional Details:
    Conditional pick
    - This pick is included only if the other condition holds true. This pick converts to 2026 2nd round pick if Toronto misses the playoffs in 2023-24 season.
    TOR
    1. Murray, Matt
    2. 2023 1st round pick (OTT)
    Additional Details:
    Conditional pick: the pick is included in the trade if
    - Ottawa makes the playoffs in 2022-23 season*
    - Murray is unable to play in 41 games in 2022-23.
    - Murray's save percentage is below .90

    *should Ottawa miss the playoffs in 2022-23, all conditions are being forwarded by one year, assuming Murray is still part of the Leafs organisation in 2023-24. If not, the condition is voided, and no pick is exchanged.
    Buyouts
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    2023
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    Logo of the TOR
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    Logo of the OTT
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    2025
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    23$82,500,000$70,998,214$0$4,450,000$11,501,786
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    $8,205,714$8,205,714
    LW
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    $6,666,667$6,666,667
    C
    UFA - 8
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    $4,975,000$4,975,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 5
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    $6,400,000$6,400,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
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    $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
    C
    UFA - 1
    $6,500,000$6,500,000
    RW, C
    UFA - 3
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    $2,500,000$2,500,000
    LW
    RFA
    Logo of the Ottawa Senators
    $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$600,000$600K)
    C
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Ottawa Senators
    $3,600,000$3,600,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 1
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    $1,750,000$1,750,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 4
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    $950,000$950,000
    C
    UFA - 1
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    $1,500,000$1,500,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 1
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    $8,000,000$8,000,000
    LD
    UFA - 6
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    $2,500,000$2,500,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
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    $2,750,000$2,750,000
    G
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Ottawa Senators
    $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$925,000$925K)
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    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Ottawa Senators
    $1,400,000$1,400,000
    LD/RD, LW
    RFA - 1
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    $787,500$787,500
    G
    UFA - 1
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    $863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
    RD
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the Ottawa Senators
    $1,300,000$1,300,000
    LD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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    $3,000,000$3,000,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Ottawa Senators
    $750,000$750,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
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    LW
    RFA - 2

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    Jul. 10, 2022 at 5:20 p.m.
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    Ottawa isn’t doing that. Murray at 3 mill doesn’t cost trading a 1st to move especially in a super deep draft .
    Jul. 10, 2022 at 5:22 p.m.
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    Not a chance any team would agree to those conditions. One of this big hits against Murray is that he's been very injury prone. A condition on him starting half the season is a non-starter. Beyond that obvious one, the conditions are fighting against each other. He needs to be good enough to start 41 games but be bad enough in doing so that he has a sub .900 save %.
    Jul. 10, 2022 at 5:24 p.m.
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    Quoting: csick
    Ottawa isn’t doing that. Murray at 3 mill doesn’t cost trading a 1st to move especially in a super deep draft .


    It's only moving a first if he's bad for TOR and OTT doesn't succeed. Plus OTT receive a 2nd in return as well.
    Jul. 10, 2022 at 5:25 p.m.
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    Not a chance any team would agree to those conditions. One of this big hits against Murray is that he's been very injury prone. A condition on him starting half the season is a non-starter. Beyond that obvious one, the conditions are fighting against each other. He needs to be good enough to start 41 games but be bad enough in doing so that he has a sub .900 save %.


    I mean if he's good and can stay healthy, TOR basically gets them a decent goalie for no cost - Ottawa just doesn't have to pay to move him. That's the gist behind the whole idea. Both teams win.

    If TOR acquires him and he stays bad, they receive a compensation.

    EDIT: That being said, I just noticed a mistake in the wording there. It should read "is unable to play over 41 games" , not "plays at least 41 games." My b.
    Jul. 10, 2022 at 5:26 p.m.
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    I mean if he's good and can stay healthy, TOR basically gets them a decent goalie for no cost - Ottawa just doesn't have to pay to move him. That's the gist behind the whole idea. Both teams win.

    If TOR acquires him and he stays bad, they receive a compensation.


    But its not just if he stays bad. They have to use him while he's staying bad. It makes no sense for any team to agree to that condition.

    Saw you edited your above post. That makes a lot more sense.
    Jul. 10, 2022 at 5:28 p.m.
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    But its not just if he stays bad. They have to use him while he's staying bad. It makes no sense for any team to agree to that condition.

    Saw you edited your above post. That makes a lot more sense.


    That's depending on Ottawa's success. It wouldn't do if they keep on being bad that Leafs received a Top10 pick while OTT retains salary.
    Jul. 11, 2022 at 8:17 a.m.
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    Toronto would need to unload an expensive contract or two to Ottawa and Sens keeps their pick.
    Jul. 11, 2022 at 8:32 a.m.
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    Toronto would need to unload an expensive contract or two to Ottawa and Sens keeps their pick.


    Two reasons why I don't think that works

    1) Toronto as it stands doesn't have bad contracts aside from Muzzin but

    2) Ottawa is looking to shed salary (main reason why they want to get rid of Murray) so adding some makes very little sense
    Jul. 11, 2022 at 8:41 a.m.
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    Quoting: justaBoss
    Two reasons why I don't think that works

    1) Toronto as it stands doesn't have bad contracts aside from Muzzin but

    2) Ottawa is looking to shed salary (main reason why they want to get rid of Murray) so adding some makes very little sense


    Ottawa is always looking for value contracts and we have the cap space. Muzzin's cap hit is $5,625,000 while his actual salary for the 2 remaining years is $4M and if they wait to make the trade after signing bonus, then sens only need to pay him $2M this year.
    Jul. 11, 2022 at 8:48 a.m.
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    Quoting: justaBoss
    Two reasons why I don't think that works

    1) Toronto as it stands doesn't have bad contracts aside from Muzzin but

    2) Ottawa is looking to shed salary (main reason why they want to get rid of Murray) so adding some makes very little sense


    And the main reason for Ottawa to trade Murray is that we currently have 3 goalies on NHL contracts. We are going with Forsberg/Gustavsson tandem since Murray is often injured and not consistent.
    Jul. 11, 2022 at 9:05 a.m.
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    Quoting: minervabone
    Ottawa is always looking for value contracts and we have the cap space. Muzzin's cap hit is $5,625,000 while his actual salary for the 2 remaining years is $4M and if they wait to make the trade after signing bonus, then sens only need to pay him $2M this year.


    There's no value included in neither Murray or Muzzin. I kinda like the idea of 1-on-1 move between them tho.
    Quoting: minervabone
    And the main reason for Ottawa to trade Murray is that we currently have 3 goalies on NHL contracts. We are going with Forsberg/Gustavsson tandem since Murray is often injured and not consistent.


    If that's the case, they would just buy him out.
    Jul. 11, 2022 at 9:08 a.m.
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    Quoting: justaBoss


    If that's the case, they would just buy him out.


    You would think! This is what most teams would do... which is why most sens fans are confused with the Leafs trade rumours.
     
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