I wasn’t sure wtf u were talking about lol

When has he produced when it matter? He’s been good in the playoffs, but not good enough. He’s nothing special. He’s a second line left winger on a good day.




He won a decent percentage in the regular season but I’d have to look at his numbers against Pageua in the post season tbh.

Beau produced at a higher rate than pageau (in tougher minutes) than Pageau in both the 19-20 and 20-21 seasons. Both of those seasons the isles made the playoffs. Down the stretch in the 20-21 season, he carried the team by putting up 22 pts in 25 games. He scored multiple GWG.

Not good enough lmao. You're just talking out of your a** now. And there are other stats beau was in elite company with,

Not good enough!

Seems like even evolving hockey cant make up their mind about JGP. But its very interesting bc @isles5513 does have a point. Youre an extremely irrational person who does worship in a way analytical descriptions and cant put your own thoughts on something.

Thanks! It’s nice to be appreciated lol.

Ill be brutally honest i disagree with you on probably 80% of the things you say. But i do appreciate that you formulated your own opinions. The same cannot be said for everyone else.

He believes that these graphs tell the whole story, he legitimately does not see anyway they could be flawed. He buys into them 110%, even when the people who made them don’t.

Yeah its true and makes for a very unpleasant discussion

I’m pretty sure that I disagree with what I say about 80% of the time too lol. I’m only half joking.

no you just don't understand what theyre saying buddy. The difference Is I understand every single metric in any chart/graph. You just posted one jfresh card but don't understand its flaws.

If we were to go in depth on every models evaluation of Pageau, I could easily prove you wrong on everything you're saying about Pageau. You just posted a chart without knowing anything about it.

It's very telling you never responded to the facts about Beauvillier's playoff performance, You were proven wrong and aren't man enough to admit it. Very sad.

I mean i dont think im hallucinating and the chart you posted shows JGPs expected goals above replacement at even strength just under 6 which judging by the bar graph is pretty solid. Certainly not the "black hole offensively" that you claimed.
In fact they rate his offensive production 69/100 which is very solid for a guy whos job is to shutdown opposing top lines

XGAR only has to do with his own finishing talent. In terms of driving offense, he’s below league average. He is not good in transition nor does he pass well. He needs his linemates to drive the play. That’s why you can’t look at one chart and come to the conclusion on a player.

You just proved you don’t understand the own chart you posted. His competition (quality of competition) is at 47% meaning Pageau does not often face top lines. 53% of NHL forwards face tougher competition than Pageau.

Talk about not understanding charts. Quality of competition and quality of teammates is based solely on TOI. It does not calculate actual skill at all.
As for the Jfresh player card, he doesnt use single stats like xGAR. His 5v5 offense number is based solely on on ice expected goals for which tabulates his even strength offensive war.

You still havent explained why your 1st chart says pageau is in the 69th percentile in 'offense'

You are wrong, QOC and QOT is not only based on TOI, most reliable platforms incorporate CF%.

That's the issue and why Jfresh model doesn't isolate a players impact as well as Hockey viz or Evolving Hockey. Evolving hockey also uses multiple different charts/metrics so you can properly evaluate a player instead of just posting one jfresh card and think it's a 100% accurate reputation of his overall impact.

because it includes his 19-20 season with Ottawa where he played with top 6 forwards like tkachuk and duclair as well as shooting like 8 goals above expected. He was boosted by his linemates which put him at 85 overall in 19-20 for offense.

Pageaus offense was 62 and 61 the last two most of his value represented by shooting. His play driving offensively is a huge weakness which is why context is important. Can't just look at jfresh's EV Offense and come to a conclusion on his offensive impact. You should look at all the available data and form your own opinion...it's hilarious that you were the one that brought analytics into this , are worshiping Jfresh's player card and can't think for yourself on this topic. Ironic. You sound like a liberal who calls everyone a fascist for not seeing things the same way. Look in the mirror bud.

Got it so 62nd percentile and 61st percentile which is well above average is now considered a "black hole offensively". Good to know youre very objective and not at all narrative driven with your analysis of players.

Actually jfresh says straight out that his QOC and QOT stats are based solely on TOI. And considering thats the only chart that had QOC and QOT on it im going to assume that what you were talking about.

You argue with your heart, @Db1899 argues with his brain. Are you both saying that being biased in an argument is better than bringing up calculated statistics? What makes your opinion better than others? NOTHING

You argue that OEL is a good player. Sit down man. You aren’t here for any other reason except for the fact ur annoyed I’m honest with you.

Don’t worship bar graphs bro. You have to be able to analyze the numbers you are looking at, and more importantly what they don’t account for.