All good the site can be fickle haha. I didn't say you said Erod is a negative - I said you used PK results as a negative for Erod. Which you did do. Yes - and I said that because the PK was better without him. If you look up the Pens PK % last year, it was higher the month McGinn was hurt. Therefore - the PK was better without him. Yeah it's still top 10 but the point is it's still significantly worse than it was at the beginning. I double checked the stats and through 41 games they were #1 on the PK at 89.1% - the second 41 they were 17th in the league at 79.5%. So not only were they not top in the 2nd half but they had a significant drop off as you can see. Jarry's numbers in regression? Where? Where are you getting this best shutdown line in the league? I need to know.

Nobody said it was all about the money. I've said this like 40 times already - it's that his contract is bad for the way he performed and he can be easily replaced by an equal or better player at a lower or equal salary. That's why people want him gone. No you were right about the shooting stats - he did shoot the most from the 4th line. Maybe the numbers were off a bit but your point was still accurate - I just don't see how it matters or the value in it.

When did covid shut down the league last year? And everybody else would be dealing with the same shutdown so that's not really an excuse. I mean you can keep calling him decent if you want, but his numbers show he was the arguably the worst forward on the team. And he can be easily replaced and that money be spent elsewhere. Maybe we have a different definition of decent? I don't consider being the worst forward on your team decent. I would even be okay if he was elite defensively or on the PK - but he's even shown to be mid tier defensively and the PK was better without him. I'm just trying to find any value he brings. But again, the point here is that he had a bad year and could be easily replaced for cheaper - which is huge for a cap strapped team in a flat cap era. I don't understand why you have an issue with this statement

Rust and ERod wasn’t as effective on the PK as McGinn was but then again they haven’t seen much PK time at all and that hasn’t been their roles for some time. But either way they didn’t vastly improve our chances when the PK was at its worse. They were the best 4th line in my opinion when ZAR was there. They were still decent but not as good as they could’ve been after he was traded. And for the covid thing it was like a week I think? When covid was at its peak in the league last season.

Also the 79.5% pk in the second half is more okayish. Not preferable but they did okay.

I think McGinn did end up getting covid when hockey was shutdown for that week. Never can really know how much that can affect somebody even being given the time to recover from it.

Sorry for all the scattered replies. I should’ve waited to respond lol. I’m still waking up a bit.

The PK was better without McGinn - that's my point. Saying "well he was better than people who don't play the PK" isn't really a good argument for defending McGinn. Their numbers were average overall, maybe slightly above average for a 4th line - and benefitted from an insane on ice sv%. Most importantly though, Blueger and ZAR's numbers were way better without McGinn. So sure the 4th line as a whole was decent - but it wasn't because of McGinn - he was the weak link. And again, this just comes back to my entire point of this conversation which is he had a bad year and can be easily replaced.

I mean I'm not sure a week off can be used as an excuse for a slump for the rest of the year. And everybody had the week off.

In a vaccuum 79.5% can be considered okayish - slightly below average. But when there is that big of a dropoff, thats not okayish - thats just terrible. I mean if there was some big dropoff in his play after that week(when even was it) then you may have a small point - but he was pretty much equally as bad the whole year. It's all good haha - I'm just putting all my responses in one.

I think 79.5% would be considered okayish since that’s around middle of the league rankings. In some areas I’ll still have to disagree. If there are results that are on the good side for the team when it comes to the GA department then the rest shouldn’t matter too too much.

I don’t have too much of an idea how much covid can actually affect athletes. It seems the Pens were able to recover quick except for McGinn when it comes to driving results. Honestly I got covid a few months ago but I didn’t feel that sick but man when I was able to go back to work I felt this heavy fatigue and heavy drowsiness for a bit. Maybe that rest may not be too good if that’s all you’re doing after covid.