Depending on how Barrie's value is viewed, this is a more even trade

Yeah, the Habs might need that 4th to be upgraded to a 2nd or 3rd straight up or with a condition but it really depends on what the offers for Monahan are I think.

Not sure I understand the spate of recent Monahan-to-Edmonton trades, I'm sure there are other teams who want a rental center more than the Oilers do, so I don't see them submitting the winning bid here. And honestly, the fact that you have Ryan McLeod as a healthy scratch here shows how little you know about that player and Edmonton's center depth.

And Ceci at 3RD? LOL.

HABS are not doing that trade, they will get more value in seperate trades for Sean and Joel

Don't be so hasty. I didn't mean to have Kostin ahead of McLeod, it's just when I moved Monahan to center things got messed up and I didn't notice, and so McLeod ended up as the 5th LW.

I think Edmundson and Kulak were a paring in MTL so they might reunite them. Ceci playing on the 3rd pairing doesn't mean he's going to be playing 3rd pairing minutes.

Edmonton might not be interested in Monahan but who knows.

You didn't address my central point that Edmonton is highly unlikely to be the high bid on Monahan at all. They already have Nugent-Hopkins playing LW, they aren't going to overpay for another C.

Maybe, maybe not. The purpose is more to see how the cap would work, the value is pretty close.

Generally, two pieces being traded in separate deals would net more but Edmonton could be the only team interested in Edmundson and their offer for Monahan could be on par with other offers. I don't see Edmundson getting more than a 1st and Monahan is probably going to be two 2nds+ a 3rd with retention.

Can view this as the 1st for Edmundson, Barrie (2nd+ 3rd) + Puljujarvi (3rd) for Monahan and the 4th for retention. Hughes might need that 4th to be upgraded to a 2nd or 3rd straight up or with a condition but it really depends on what the offers for Monahan are.

You're acting like Monahan can't play either wing or that RNH rarely plays C anymore. Which winger are they getting for less than this?

Edit: There you go, Monahan is a winger now.

Lots of wingers will be available for less. This is a heavy price to pay for two mediocre players.

It is, but would you be surprised if Holland traded a 1st for Edmundson? I wouldn't. Barrie is really only in there because he has to be there in for cap, and he might fill a need for MTL. If Holland is going to bite the bullet on a JP trade it would probably be in a trade for a rental.

Can view this as the:
1st for Edmundson, Barrie (2nd+ 3rd) + Puljujarvi (3rd) for Monahan and the 4th for retention.
Or
as Edmundson for Barrie 1 for 1, then 1st+JP+4th for Monahan.

I don't think the Oilers will pursue Monahan necessarily but the cap situation is very tight, if they really want Edmundson (I don't see Hughes retaining on him) and they are going to have to make a money in money out move. JP+ for Edmundson wouldn't really work. Imo pursuing Edmundson in the first place is a mistake.

Not the way he's playing, no. Edmundson is struggling to suppress scoring chances in a big way, and it has lead to him being way below average (relative to teammates) in the GA department. And this despite getting 60% o-zone starts. Barrie has had better defensive results this season, and of course is world's better offensively.

If you look, Holland rarely trades 1st round picks for players under contract. He moves back in the draft all the time, but the last 1st he traded for a player was way back in 2012. And he typically - in Edmonton at least - has targeted players with good-to-great skating ability, something Edmundson doesn't have.

So no, I don't see Holland spending a 1st on Edmundson. If he makes a move for an LHD, it'll be someone more mobile and better defensively.

I’ve seen puljujarvi & Barrie daily trades to Habs. I now understand how annoyed Sens fans felt with the daily Byron trades to Ottawa

That's a valid point, he probably wouldn't give the 1st straight up like that. So perhaps the trade needs to be adjusted so that he's giving up a 2023 1st+2024 2nd with a 2023 2nd coming back. He did give up two 2nds for Athanasiou which is basically the equivalent of a 1st.

I'm not expecting anything to actually come out of the trade unless Hughes comprises and retains 500k on Edmundson and it's JP+ for him or something like the proposed here happens. Most negotiations lead to nothing though, and the rumor might not even be true.

The other thing to consider (regarding the rumors) is that Holland is known to kick all the tires that he can find. Has he talked to Hughes about various players? 100%. But he's also talked to 30 other GM's about their rosters too. He likes to keep his finger on the pulse.

Any GM (especially one that has to make money in, money out moves) trying to refine their team to be a true contender, should be in on everything even the acquisitions that don't seem possible. In the end, the purpose of rumors, whether based off fact or fabrication, is for fan entertainment although they usually lead to someone getting annoyed or angry at their management group.