Question about a draft rule

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Created by: Frost_

Team: 2022-23 Philadelphia Flyers

Initial Creation Date: Dec. 17, 2022

Published: Dec. 17, 2022

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PHI

2024 2nd round pick (DET)

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random team

DET

O'Brien, Jay [Reserve List]

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If the Flyers do not sign their former 1st rounder Jay O'Brien will they receive a 2nd round pick? Like what happened with Filip Gustavsson and Minnesota last season (check comments if you dont know)

Buyouts

Ilya Bryzgalov: $0
Oskar Lindblom: -$333,333

Buried

Kieffer Bellows: $75,000 ($1,200,000)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2023
2024
2025

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$82,500,000	$75,227,929	$295,000	$1,960,000	$7,272,071

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
van Riemsdyk, James $7,000,000$7,000,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Hayes, Kevin $3,571,429$3,571,429 C M-NTC UFA - 4	Konecny, Travis $5,500,000$5,500,000 RW, LW UFA - 3
Farabee, Joel $5,000,000$5,000,000 LW, RW UFA - 6	Frost, Morgan $800,000$800,000 C RFA - 1	Tippett, Owen $1,500,000$1,500,000 RW, LW UFA - 2
Laughton, Scott $3,000,000$3,000,000 C, LW UFA - 4	Sedlak, Lukas $800,000$800,000 C, LW, RW UFA - 1	MacEwen, Zack $925,000$925,000 RW, C UFA - 1
Deslauriers, Nicolas $1,750,000$1,750,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 4	Brown, Patrick $750,000$750,000 C, RW UFA - 1	Lycksell, Olle $837,500$837,500 ($60,000$60K) RW RFA - 1
Cates, Noah $925,000$925,000 ($425,000$425K) C, LW RFA - 1
Willman, Max $750,000$750,000 LW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Provorov, Ivan $4,725,000$4,725,000 LD UFA - 3	Ristolainen, Rasmus $5,100,000$5,100,000 RD UFA - 5	Hart, Carter $3,979,000$3,979,000 G RFA - 2
Sanheim, Travis $4,675,000$4,675,000 LD/RD UFA - 1	Deangelo, Anthony $5,000,000$5,000,000 RD UFA - 2	Sandström, Felix $775,000$775,000 G UFA - 2
York, Cam $880,833$880,833 ($725,000$725K) LD/RD RFA - 1	Braun, Justin $1,000,000$1,000,000 ($750,000$750K) RD UFA - 1
Seeler, Nick $775,000$775,000 LD/RD UFA - 2

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
	Couturier, Sean $7,750,000$7,750,000 C NMC UFA - 8	Ellis, Ryan $6,250,000$6,250,000 RD UFA - 5
	Atkinson, Cam $5,875,000$5,875,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 3
	Allison, Wade $785,000$785,000 RW RFA - 2
	Laczynski, Tanner $762,500$762,500 RW, C UFA - 2

Dec. 17, 2022 at 2:24 a.m.

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Dec. 17, 2022 at 2:52 a.m.

aedoran

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NHL Compensatory draft picks

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Dec. 17, 2022 at 3:03 a.m.

aedoran

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Edited Dec. 17, 2022 at 3:57 a.m.

I'm not 100% but I'm going to say no they won't because he was drafted 4 years ago putting him out side the 2 year window.

The reason compensatory picks are so rare is most teams aren't ready to give up on a 1st round pick after 2 years.

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Dec. 17, 2022 at 4:18 a.m.

Frost_

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Quoting: aedoran

Thanks!

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Dec. 17, 2022 at 4:46 a.m.

ricochetii

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Quoting: aedoran

That and players that don't sign are most often college committed, bringing them past the 2 year cutoff. The vast majority of 1st rounders will be signed or in a college program.

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Dec. 17, 2022 at 5:35 a.m.

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Yes, if Jay O'Brien does not sign, Philadelphia will be receive #51 pick in 2023.

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Dec. 17, 2022 at 5:46 a.m.

NHLfan10506

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Quoting: aedoran

Quoting: ricochetii

That and players that don't sign are most often college committed, bringing them past the 2 year cutoff. The vast majority of 1st rounders will be signed or in a college program.

2 years for junior, 4 years for NCAA (5 years if includes Covid year).

Since 2005...

Most of the former 1st round players who did not sign, and produced compensatory picks for their teams have been NCAA players.
-- AJ Thelen (2007): tricky case because he left Michigan State early
-- Blake Wheeler (2008) :Minnesota
-- David Fischer (2011): Minnesota
-- Patrick White (2012): Minnesota
-- Daultan Leveille (2013): Michigan State
-- Kevin Hayes (2015): Boston College

Only two were non-NCAA players, put on two-year window, didn't sign, and produced compensatory picks
-- Conor Bleackley (2016)
-- Filip Johansson (2022)

In 2023, there could be two candidates
-- #51 pick - PHI (Jay O'Brien)
-- #63 pick - BUF (Ryan Johnson)

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Dec. 17, 2022 at 11:49 a.m.

aedoran

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

I didn't know it was different for for college players.

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Dec. 17, 2022 at 2:13 p.m.

Clarky11

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

I thought it was a ‘24 second because the deadline to sign him isn’t until after the draft.

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