Every situation is a different situation,The Context in which they're set however usually is not.
Why dont you list higher returns for similar players then if they exist.


Byfield was in one of the weakest drafs since 2014
Top 3 players taken its the 3rd OA destroying both 1st and 2nd OA numbers combined with 32 points on top of that.
Raymond has just surpassed 1st OA pick in and many more are set to before the TDL to pass both the 1st and 2nd OA picks.
Mercer, Lundell,Jarvis,Drysdale,ext are the ones on pace to surpass 1st OA and 2nd OA picks .


All im saying is the "way too early " speech isnt right
He's actually way behind his draft class stuggling to keep up with 1st rounders in his draft on any level.
Waiting for a change of scenary could be a bad things escpecially since LAK doesnt really have success developing massing players.
Generally speaking they either come ready to play or LAK moves them out in trades for pieces that lead to their first stanley cup.
Luc Robatille's first moves were to trade size for skill and more average sized players who inturn helped boost the development of their youth.

Just saying he's at the point where the pack has sepearted from him just like Dach's draft class did with him.
Now is the time for LAK to sell but only if they can get the right returns and Michnikov of Dvorsky could be big pieces for them in ways Byfield wont.
I mean no one thinks Byfield will reach his projected ceiling as top line Center we're looking or hoping for a middle 6 role but even that's a stretch.
Him and Alex Holtz are quickly falling out of the top 20 when it comes to re-ranking the 2020 draft as neither seems to be able to make the jump to the NHL like all their peers behind them.

Billy: Let’s put aside your childish ad hominem attacks (I find your repeated accusations that I "get drunk so often" particularly odious) and other adolescent rantings to review the observable, indisputable facts:

1. Sean Farrell is NOT “a favorite to win the Hobey Baker Award,” as you assert in the trade box at the top of your ACGM.
2. The first article you cited doesn’t say that, as you incorrectly assert in Comment #8. You know that, I know that, and anyone with any reasonable intelligence who reads the article knows that. In fact, the article simply suggests that Farrell is one of at least 20 youngsters who might be considered candidates for the award.
3. The second article you cited doesn’t say that, either, as you incorrectly assert in Comment #35. You know that, I know that, and anyone with any reasonable intelligence who reads the article knows that. In fact, this pre-season article doesn’t use the word “favorite” anywhere in it, and simply suggests that Farrell should be on the list of youngsters who might turn out to be considered for the award.

You have a great deal of difficulty making a one-to-one correspondence between what is written and what you want to see. Approaching input with a closed mind is no way to broaden your understanding of anything, and quite likely to lead you into false beliefs like the ones under discussion here.

The world isn’t the way any of us sees it; the world isn’t the way any of us wants it to be; the world simply is. As a close friend of mine has written, reality is just a collective hunch. The only way to gain some insight into the way the world is is to receive input without pre-conceptions, especially pre-conceptions which one is unwilling to abandon when presented with indisputable evidence refuting them.

I have tried on several previous occasions to engage in an intellectual discussion with you. All of the more recent of those efforts have shown me that I am wasting my time. In response, you have resorted to insults and mis-characterization of facts in blind defense of demonstrably false contentions. Accordingly, I will not burden you with a response to anything you might write in the future, however direct.

Ill take any explination for why you can got from this type of structured intelligent comment to what you displayed last night.
Drunk just made the most sense given the day and the time.

You quoted me and did so wrong period , im still pissed about that.
You said i compared Byfield to Farrell when assuming so would be you though Farrell was taken top 3 overall in the draft ahead of Byfield .
In either case how you carried yourself didnt seem like a sober you.

1.NCAA Source >Your opinion
Not really up for debate when you're trying to say your opinion has more value then the NCAA's.

2.Farrell is 1/7 youngsters listed unless your including "honorable mentions" but even then falls short of 20.
But again NCAA 4 day old source > your opinion based on the same source's rankings 3 months ago .(which was the top 2 listed players your referenced)

3. I wont debate how the English langurage works with someone who removed the name of the person actually being talked about to use the quote to attack another player out of context. Reality is i was raised in a nation where doing so actually gets you in trouble. Its marks you a Manipulative person who cant be held Accountable and therefore will never be able to truly form an unbiased opinion. In grade 5 we start cracking down on such statements as our Public Education System VALUES the English Language and French Language.

If we were talking in French the entire group would turn on you if you use the Informal versus the formal greetings. But with English we seem to let someone literally ****ize someone as they quote them without any recourse. Had you simple said "my bad i skimmed through and saw the Dach sentence run into the Farrell comment below" i would have been more then understanding.

Instead you hoped i'd give up and let this ignorance stand.
IF i didnt expect more out of you , maybe i would have.
Issue is i know you're intelligent enough to notice the difference most days.

quite honestly im not reading this entire essay. I can't think of higher returns for similar players because it is extremely rare, if not an unprecedented occurance, that teams move on from 20 year old 6'5 freight train center who is a point a game in the minors. Byfield is almost a year younger than Lafreniere despite being in the same draft class. Can't generalize every situation.

The reason huge players take awhile to develop oftentimes is because the physical edge that they use to dominate diminishes against big NHL players in comparison to smaller players in juniors. So for a smart development staff, oftentimes they'd prefer the player to adapt and learn in the AHL rather than score like 25-35 points in the NHL in a diminished role (see Laf, Kakko, etc)

Middelstadt was a year younger then his draft class peers , didnt do him any favors going earlier
Actually it seems to have really stunted his development .

I still see this more like Robatille deciding Boyle's long Development wasnt an option giving him 3-4 seasons before deciding to move on.
When this move's made likely at the Trade Deadline like i described it will likely include more then just the Pick and Farrel
That said i think Byfield is coveted by MTL largely because of his size in the hopes thats the only reason he's so far behind the pack in terms of development.

quite honestly im not reading this entire essay. I can't think of higher returns for similar players because it is extremely rare, if not an unprecedented occurance, that teams move on from 20 year old 6'5 freight train center who is a point a game in the minors. Byfield is almost a year younger than Lafreniere despite being in the same draft class. Can't generalize every situation.

The reason huge players take awhile to develop oftentimes is because the physical edge that they use to dominate diminishes against big NHL players in comparison to smaller players in juniors. So for a smart development staff, oftentimes they'd prefer the player to adapt and learn in the AHL rather than score like 25-35 points in the NHL in a diminished role (see Laf, Kakko, etc)

middelstad is 6'1 195. Average sized players are usually the right balance of not relying on their size as their top advantage while also having the frame to be able to play in the NHL. Makes for an easier transition.

Also guess why it stunted his development? They brought him straight into the NHL from college. LA is doing precisely the opposite to try to be sure that doens't happen

Hardly behind the pack. Really only Stutzle and Sanderson are having real success right now, Raymond and Mercer I suppose as well. The rest were rushed in too early and are getting burned for it.

The way they talked about Middlestadt i expected a solid Radulov type top 6 winger with great puck carrying skills.
Part of that was the hype of him joining Eichel and i get that but a lot of it was focused around his jump from highschool to Pro.
Either way i expected more from him and had he been drafted a year later i think we woulda saw it too.
Havent checked dobber but ill bet his project draft number is no where near where he's currently ranked.

Again its not to say Byfield wont be good , its why MTL wants him
Im just saying dreams of him being #1 Center are DOA IMO .
At best he might be a 2nd Center but will likely have to start in a 2A /2B situation where they share minutes and there's no 3rd line.
Worth investing in just no where near worth ever getting a top 10 pick back in return for him