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Created by: NMAvsFan
Team: 2023-24 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 22, 2023
Published: Jan. 22, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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IMO, this is the only scenario in which the Avs trade for Horvat at the TDL and I'm still not sure it works or if it's a great idea - losing Girard leaves a hole at D that will be tough to fill in terms of how the Avs like to play; Behrens is not ready to step into the NHL next season. Also, for the purposes of this AGM, let's assume this is a package VAN will accept and nobody else matches.

Horvat comes with an extension that kicks in this season so now we see what the roster and cap situation looks like. He takes a little less than what he was offered in VAN because he's paying less in taxes and playing for a winner.

Some things to keep in mind: Rantanen and Byram will need more money soon so the cap needs to go up by about $10M over the next few years for them to be able to keep the core together; can't really see that happening but, you never know. They're also likely to lose Toews in FA after next season so, another significant hole on the blueline.
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
3$925,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$2,500,000
2$2,000,000
2$1,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
7$7,500,000
1$1,250,000
1$1,250,000
Trades
COL
    Avs get Horvat at 2023 TDL with an extension in place
    VAN
    1. Beaucage, Alex
    2. Girard, Samuel
    3. 2023 1st round pick (COL)
    4. 2025 3rd round pick (COL)
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    2023
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    Logo of the COL
    2024
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    Logo of the COL
    Logo of the COL
    Logo of the COL
    2025
    Logo of the COL
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    Logo of the COL
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    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    21$83,500,000$83,123,333$637,500$57,500$376,667
    Left WingCentreRight Wing
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    Lehkonen, Artturi
    $4,500,000$4,500,000
    LW, RW
    NTC
    UFA - 4
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    MacKinnon, Nathan
    $12,600,000$12,600,000
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 8
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    Rantanen, Mikko
    $9,250,000$9,250,000
    RW, C
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    Landeskog, Gabriel
    $7,000,000$7,000,000
    LW, C
    NMC
    UFA - 6
    Horvat, Bo
    $7,500,000$7,500,000
    C
    UFA - 8
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    Nichushkin, Valeri
    $6,125,000$6,125,000
    RW, LW
    NMC
    UFA - 7
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    Newhook, Alex
    $2,000,000$2,000,000
    C, LW
    RFA - 4
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    Waivers ExemptFoudy, Jean-Luc
    $847,500$847,500 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
    C
    RFA - 2
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    Waivers ExemptOlausson, Oskar
    $863,333$863,333
    RW
    RFA - 3
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    Meyers, Ben
    $1,000,000$1,000,000
    LW, C
    UFA - 1
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    O'Connor, Logan
    $1,050,000$1,050,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 2
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    Cogliano, Andrew
    $1,250,000$1,250,000
    LW
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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    Toews, Devon
    $4,100,000$4,100,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    Makar, Cale
    $9,000,000$9,000,000
    RD
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    Georgiev, Alexandar
    $3,400,000$3,400,000
    G
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    Byram, Bowen
    $2,500,000$2,500,000
    LD/RD
    RFA - 2
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    Manson, Josh
    $4,500,000$4,500,000
    RD
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    Francouz, Pavel
    $2,000,000$2,000,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    Hunt, Brad
    $762,500$762,500
    LD/RD
    UFA - 1
    Schenn, Luke
    $1,250,000$1,250,000
    RD
    UFA - 3
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    MacDermid, Kurtis
    $987,500$987,500
    LD/RD, LW
    UFA - 1

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    Jan. 22, 2023 at 2:03 p.m.
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    TheAlien
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    The only piece you have that the Canucks would want is Newhook
    Jan. 22, 2023 at 2:10 p.m.
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    Zero chance you're getting an extended Horvat for that offer, An extended Horvat starts with one of Byram or Newhook not that offer. And good luck getting Horvat to sign for anything less than $8,000,000 to $8,500,000 per. No way he's taking $7,500,000 per when there are offers for him that are way more than this at free agency.
    Jan. 22, 2023 at 2:19 p.m.
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    Ledge_And_Dairy
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    pretty big overpay, whether you extend him or not does not affect his trade value
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    Jan. 22, 2023 at 2:30 p.m.
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    Ledge_And_Dairy
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    Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61
    Zero chance you're getting an extended Horvat for that offer, An extended Horvat starts with one of Byram or Newhook not that offer. And good luck getting Horvat to sign for anything less than $8,000,000 to $8,500,000 per. No way he's taking $7,500,000 per when there are offers for him that are way more than this at free agency.


    WTF are you talking about? Colorado is the team that negotiates the extension, not Vancouver. There is absolutely zero incentive for Colorado to pay premium for him to come pre-signed
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    Jan. 22, 2023 at 2:39 p.m.
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    pretty big overpay, whether you extend him or not does not affect his trade value


    Lol what? An extended Horvat has more value than a rental Horvat.

    Idk about the people on this site sometimes lol
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    Jan. 22, 2023 at 2:46 p.m.
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    Quoting: TheAlien
    The only piece you have that the Canucks would want is Newhook


    Which is why it doesn't work for the Avs to trade for him and the reason I posted this - it makes no sense for the Avs to make a trade for Horvat that doesn't allow for him to be re-signed.
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    Jan. 22, 2023 at 4:01 p.m.
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    Lol what? An extended Horvat has more value than a rental Horvat.

    Idk about the people on this site sometimes lol


    Ok and who's signing him to the extension?
    Jan. 22, 2023 at 4:07 p.m.
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    Ok and who's signing him to the extension?


    My OP says that he comes with an extension but these things are often negotiated by the team taking the player but it could be a sign-and-trade. I would think the Avs would have to be sure they could afford the extension before making the trade. In any event, I still don't think it works.
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    Jan. 22, 2023 at 4:22 p.m.
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    Quoting: NMAvsFan
    My OP says that he comes with an extension but these things are often negotiated by the team taking the player but it could be a sign-and-trade. I would think the Avs would have to be sure they could afford the extension before making the trade. In any event, I still don't think it works.


    There has only ever been 1 sign-and-trade in NHL history and it was Tkachuk this summer. That was because Calgary was the only team in the league that could sign him to an 8 year extension at the time of the trade. That is not the case with Horvat, any team that acquires him before the TDL can sign him to an 8 year deal at any point up until he officially becomes a UFA in the summer.
    Jan. 23, 2023 at 10:32 a.m.
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    There has only ever been 1 sign-and-trade in NHL history and it was Tkachuk this summer. That was because Calgary was the only team in the league that could sign him to an 8 year extension at the time of the trade. That is not the case with Horvat, any team that acquires him before the TDL can sign him to an 8 year deal at any point up until he officially becomes a UFA in the summer.


    Didn't Kessel get one?
    Jan. 23, 2023 at 10:44 a.m.
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    Quoting: earl08
    Didn't Kessel get one?


    No Toronto signed his 2nd deal
     
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