If NJD was showcasing Holtz for a trade he would be tearing up AHL

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Created by: NHLfan10506

Team: 2022-23 New Jersey Devils

Initial Creation Date: Feb. 2, 2023

Published: Feb. 2, 2023

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Holtz ought not to be available. Some of the reasons why…

1. If NJ wanted to showcase him for a trade, he would be in AHL racking up points. We have seen what he can do at that level. They would not be sitting him in a press box.

2. Top-25 prospects are rarely traded. It usually guys in the 25-100 range that are used as trade chips.

3. Top prospects with 2+ years on ELC are less likely to be dealt. Devils have time, and are being patient with him.

4. Wingers normally get lower returns than Centers or Defensemen. There are rare exceptions (Rick Nash maybe). The comps should be guys like Fiala.

5. Goal Scorers rarely develop slowly and steadily. It usually just clicks. Except step-change development and that is fine.

6. Devils prospect pool is deep, there are plenty of good alternatives.

NJD fans have waited for years for a top goal-scoring prospect. Now they have one. Be patient.

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Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2023
2024
2025

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$82,500,000	$78,665,792	$0	$1,332,500	$3,834,208

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Palat, Ondrej $6,000,000$6,000,000 LW, RW NMC UFA - 5	Hischier, Nico $7,250,000$7,250,000 C UFA - 5	Bratt, Jesper $5,450,000$5,450,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
Sharangovich, Yegor $2,000,000$2,000,000 C, LW, RW UFA - 1	Hughes, Jack $8,000,000$8,000,000 C UFA - 8	Mercer, Dawson $894,167$894,167 ($400,000$400K) RW, C RFA - 2
Tatar, Tomas $4,500,000$4,500,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Haula, Erik $2,375,000$2,375,000 C, LW UFA - 1	Zetterlund, Fabian $750,000$750,000 RW RFA - 1
Wood, Miles $3,200,000$3,200,000 LW UFA - 1	McLeod, Michael $975,000$975,000 C RFA - 1	Bastian, Nathan $825,000$825,000 RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Siegenthaler, Jonas $1,125,000$1,125,000 LD UFA - 1	Hamilton, Dougie $9,000,000$9,000,000 RD NMC UFA - 6	Vanecek, Vitek $3,400,000$3,400,000 G UFA - 3
Graves, Ryan $3,166,667$3,166,667 LD UFA - 1	Marino, John $4,400,000$4,400,000 RD UFA - 5	Blackwood, Mackenzie $2,800,000$2,800,000 G UFA - 1
Smith, Brendan $1,100,000$1,100,000 LD/RD, LW UFA - 2	Severson, Damon $4,166,666$4,166,666 RD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Boqvist, Jesper $874,125$874,125 C, LW RFA - 1		Bernier, Jonathan $4,125,000$4,125,000 G UFA - 1
Bahl, Kevin $795,000$795,000 ($82,500$82K) LD RFA - 1
Holtz, Alexander $894,167$894,167 ($850,000$850K) RW, LW RFA - 3

Feb. 2, 2023 at 11:30 p.m.

#26

NHLfan10506

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Quoting: glarson17

Half that list is trash

Ok, take guys from other half then

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Feb. 2, 2023 at 11:38 p.m.

#27

NHLfan10506

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Quoting: csick

Borderline. But he’s not this untouchable guy that shouldn’t be moved for an elite player

Hughes and Hischier are our only untouchable guys (and maybe Bratt when he signs). Dougie, Mercer, Siegenthaler close.

I guess I am saying two things.

1. I don't think Fitzgerald should, but am moveable on that depending on extension (if its Meier). Am like 75/15 on that.
2. I don't think Fitzgerald will...and feel more like 95/5 on that.

Feb. 2, 2023 at 11:53 p.m.

#28

glarson17

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Quoting: Smitty426

What would you know about prospects your team team is 15-25

Wtf does knowing about prospects have to do with how a team is performing?

Feb. 3, 2023 at 6:07 a.m.

#29

littlejerryseinfeld

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

When Meier was Holtz's age, he was being out-produced by Denis Malgin and Anthony Beauviller.

(and Holtz is out-producing Meier at similar age).

I mean, that isn't true.

In Meiers draft+3 year he had 21 goals, 15 assists 36 points.

Holtz has 3 goals and 1 assist. You can hang your hat on AHL stats if you want, but I asked a simple question and you went a completely different direction...and was wrong.

Feb. 3, 2023 at 7:23 a.m.

#30

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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld

How so? Through age 21 years, 14 days...their stats are below.
Holtz has performed better at AHL level and NHL level (on a per game basis)

Holtz

League.....GP.....G.....A....PTS....ppg
-- AHL...70....30....31....61....0.871
-- NHL...27.....3......3......6.....0.222

Meier

League....GP.....G.....A....PTS....ppg
-- AHL...47....18....12....30.....0.638
-- NHL...46.....4......4......8......0.174

Malgin

League....GP.....G.....A....PTS....ppg
-- AHL...28......7....19....26.....0.929
-- NHL...76....14.....8.....22......0.289

Beauvillier

League....GP.....G.....A....PTS....ppg
-- AHL.....3......2......0......2......0.667
-- NHL.137....30...30....60.....0.438

Feb. 3, 2023 at 7:25 a.m.

#31

littlejerryseinfeld

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

You are getting way too cute. Draft year and actual seasons are far more important and reasonable than parsing DAYS alive

Feb. 3, 2023 at 7:27 a.m.

#32

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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld

You are getting way too cute. Draft year and actual seasons are far more important and reasonable than parsing DAYS alive

Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld

I like using age, because alot lf guys from his draft class are out producing him in the NHL

Your criteria

Feb. 3, 2023 at 8:43 a.m.

#33

littlejerryseinfeld

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

Your criteria

I meant draft class, as i said 5 words later, but fair enough, wasn't clear

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