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Hagel Like Deal

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Team: 2022-23 Detroit Red Wings
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 20, 2023
Published: Feb. 20, 2023
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Michael Rasmussen has become somewhat of a fan favorite as well as a locker room favorite in Detroit but, are the Red Wings better off moving him for a package like CHI got for Brandon Hagel last year? Is he worth that? Probably not exactly what Hagel got but, close.

Since becoming the Red Wings highest draft choice in like 30 years, Rasmussen was thrust onto the Red Wings roster immediately and it’s been a gradual climb for him to become not quite but, somewhat close to what the Red Wings had in mind when selecting the 6’6” centreman. He’s not the offensive juggernaut you’d prefer in a top 10 pick but he’s become a guy whose line mates love to play with and opposing players would prefer not to go up against due to his monstrous size and physical play.

Still under contract for another season at a bargain rate of $1.4m - Rasmussen is surely headed towards a sizeable raise at the end of next season especially if he continues to progress like he has over these past two seasons. So, would it make more sense to ship the versatile forward off to a playoff destined cap strapped team and cash in? I would.


Note: Even still being in the mix for the postseason, which I wouldn’t mind getting in (only to likely be swept with vigor in the first round), we’re not a team that is built to compete with the better half of this league especially in the postseason. I would hope any ‘good’ offer for any of our impending free agents is accepted by Yzerman.
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  1. Bowers, Shane
  2. 2023 1st round pick (COL)
  3. 2025 2nd round pick (COL)
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  1. Rasmussen, Michael
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  1. 2023 1st round pick (PIT)
  2. 2023 3rd round pick (NJD)
PIT
  1. Bertuzzi, Tyler ($2,375,000 retained)
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22$82,500,000$68,238,056$0$3,775,000$14,261,944
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Raymond, Lucas
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Fabbri, Robby
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Copp, Andrew
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Perron, David
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Vrána, Jakub
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Veleno, Joseph
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Sundqvist, Oskar
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Walman, Jake
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Seider, Moritz
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Husso, Ville
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Chiarot, Ben
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Lindström, Gustav
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Hägg, Robert
$800,000$800,000
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Pysyk, Mark
$850,000$850,000
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Oesterle, Jordan
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Feb. 20, 2023 at 5:10 p.m.
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Neither of those guys are worth 1sts lol.
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Feb. 20, 2023 at 5:11 p.m.
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Quoting: howmuchcurrycanyoueat
Neither of those guys are worth 1sts lol.

Says you.
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Feb. 20, 2023 at 5:12 p.m.
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Quoting: howmuchcurrycanyoueat
Neither of those guys are worth 1sts lol.


Yeah no they both are.

I ain't giving either of them up if I'm Yzerman for less than a 1rst plus top prospect
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Feb. 20, 2023 at 5:14 p.m.
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Yeah no they both are.

I ain't giving either of them up if I'm Yzerman for less than a 1rst plus top prospect


Bertuzzi has either been injured or played like ass this year. Thats not worth a 1st. Also theres better players than Rasmussen available that teams would rather spend a 1st then, why would Colorado trade a 1st for a guy who isn't even good enough to replace Compher?
Feb. 20, 2023 at 5:17 p.m.
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Quoting: howmuchcurrycanyoueat
Bertuzzi has either been injured or played like ass this year. Thats not worth a 1st. Also theres better players than Rasmussen available that teams would rather spend a 1st then, why would Colorado trade a 1st for a guy who isn't even good enough to replace Compher?


As a Wings fan I hope they don't trade either of them. Bert when healthy is a mini Marchand, I'm not sure they're better players available than Rasmussen given his cap hit nor am I sure he's available. I wouldn't trade him unless the return was substantial. In this case I would need Newhook or Byram if I'm trading with CO
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Feb. 20, 2023 at 5:17 p.m.
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Bertuzzi has either been injured or played like ass this year. Thats not worth a 1st. Also theres better players than Rasmussen available that teams would rather spend a 1st then, why would Colorado trade a 1st for a guy who isn't even good enough to replace Compher?

How do you figure he’s not? And who says he has to replace Compher? He’s not only a Center. Many would argue he’s better on the wing.

And regarding Bertuzzi, he is a premier two-way player in this league. He’s not Matthew Tkachuk but if Tkachuk is a 9.5/10 then Bertuzzi is a 7.5 and what does that make him worth?
Feb. 20, 2023 at 5:20 p.m.
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As a Wings fan I hope they don't trade either of them. Bert when healthy is a mini Marchand, I'm not sure they're better players available than Rasmussen given his cap hit nor am I sure he's available. I wouldn't trade him unless the return was substantial. In this case I would need Newhook or Byram if I'm trading with CO

I can appreciate the value you’re putting on Ras, however I’d say Byram is a bit of a stretch (quite a bit), but I could absolutely see the Newhook ask. That would be a 1 for 1 trade.
Feb. 20, 2023 at 5:21 p.m.
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How do you figure he’s not? And who says he has to replace Compher? He’s not only a Center. Many would argue he’s better on the wing.

And regarding Bertuzzi, he is a premier two-way player in this league. He’s not Matthew Tkachuk but if Tkachuk is a 9.5/10 then Bertuzzi is a 7.5 and what does that make him worth?


If he plays better on the wing why the hell would Colorado want him then lol? They have better wingers already. Tkachuk can drive offence and carry a line, Bertuzzi isn't even close to him. Comparing them is like comparing Marner to Evan Rodrigues. They might play similar but thats it. Nobody is trading a first for a bandaid who has been ass this year.
Feb. 20, 2023 at 5:22 p.m.
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As a Wings fan I hope they don't trade either of them. Bert when healthy is a mini Marchand, I'm not sure they're better players available than Rasmussen given his cap hit nor am I sure he's available. I wouldn't trade him unless the return was substantial. In this case I would need Newhook or Byram if I'm trading with CO


I think Newhook is overrated on here so if I was Colorado I would run with that deal. Asking for Byram is hilarious tho.
Feb. 20, 2023 at 5:22 p.m.
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I can appreciate the value you’re putting on Ras, however I’d say Byram is a bit of a stretch (quite a bit), but I could absolutely see the Newhook ask. That would be a 1 for 1 trade.


I hear ya. That's max value though. Ras is an anomaly in this league. He's hard to play against and massive. I love the contract he's on right now and he would thrive in the playoffs.
Feb. 20, 2023 at 5:23 p.m.
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I think Newhook is overrated on here so if I was Colorado I would run with that deal. Asking for Byram is hilarious tho.


I hear ya. There's a reason Yzerman wouldn't include him in the Horvat trade.
Feb. 20, 2023 at 5:34 p.m.
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As a Wings fan I hope they don't trade either of them. Bert when healthy is a mini Marchand, I'm not sure they're better players available than Rasmussen given his cap hit nor am I sure he's available. I wouldn't trade him unless the return was substantial. In this case I would need Newhook or Byram if I'm trading with CO


You started off reasonable but then took a sharp turn. Rasputin has great skating if I recall correctly, but he is not worth anything close to Newhook. Byram is just a head scratcher. He is in the Seider tier of young dmen, Raymond++ would maybe get you a call with CMac but prob doesnt get it done.
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Feb. 20, 2023 at 5:37 p.m.
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You started off reasonable but then took a sharp turn. Rasputin has great skating if I recall correctly, but he is not worth anything close to Newhook. Byram is just a head scratcher. He is in the Seider tier of young dmen, Raymond++ would maybe get you a call with CMac but prob doesnt get it done.


He's in the SEIDER tier????? Cmon now
Feb. 20, 2023 at 5:39 p.m.
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He's in the SEIDER tier????? Cmon now


Health has been his only set back. Not a small one, I know. Seider is still learning how to shut down top lines. Byram did it in the SCF and logged the most minutes. They are very comparable.
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Feb. 20, 2023 at 5:39 p.m.
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Quoting: mmccRed198913
He's in the SEIDER tier????? Cmon now


I mean...unfortunately he's got serious concussion issues. I'm sure no one here wishes that on anyone. When Byram does play...he's very good.
Feb. 20, 2023 at 5:41 p.m.
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He's in the SEIDER tier????? Cmon now


Yes he is and you need to give your homer head a shake to get the Wing tinted glasses off. Either way the Avs would be passing on this deal, and any involving the '23 1st, Byram or Newhook unless it was something significant coming back the other way. I like Rasmussen but he ain't it.
Feb. 20, 2023 at 5:41 p.m.
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I mean...unfortunately he's got serious concussion issues. I'm sure no one here wishes that on anyone. When Byram does play...he's very good.


No, he really hasn't.
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Feb. 20, 2023 at 5:43 p.m.
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If he plays better on the wing why the hell would Colorado want him then lol? They have better wingers already. Tkachuk can drive offence and carry a line, Bertuzzi isn't even close to him. Comparing them is like comparing Marner to Evan Rodrigues. They might play similar but thats it. Nobody is trading a first for a bandaid who has been ass this year.

I’m sorry I don’t do well with sarcasm, especially when it comes from someone that is ignorant about the players they’re discussing.

I’ll never understand why people who don’t watch or know anything about particular players just love to chime in like they know what they’re talking about.

My man, just say u don’t like the trade and when someone asks why, and you don’t have a legitimate answer for them, just bask in your ignorance and don’t reply. You’ll honestly be better off doing that instead of what you’ve been saying.
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Feb. 20, 2023 at 5:45 p.m.
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I mean...unfortunately he's got serious concussion issues. I'm sure no one here wishes that on anyone. When Byram does play...he's very good.


His only time missed this season was from a knee sprain they didnt know how to treat. When they did he was back in 2 weeks in top form.
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Feb. 20, 2023 at 5:46 p.m.
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No, he really hasn't.


I mean Seider was the rookie of the year. He's very below Makar when it comes to offense but D he's in the upper crust of the league
Feb. 20, 2023 at 5:50 p.m.
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No, he really hasn't.


Really?! Wow, ok. I can't claim to have watched more Aves games than you. The games I've seen him play...it seemed good, but this is good to know.
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Feb. 20, 2023 at 5:54 p.m.
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I’m sorry I don’t do well with sarcasm, especially when it comes from someone that is ignorant about the players they’re discussing.

I’ll never understand why people who don’t watch or know anything about particular players just love to chime in like they know what they’re talking about.

My man, just say u don’t like the trade and when someone asks why, and you don’t have a legitimate answer for them, just bask in your ignorance and don’t reply. You’ll honestly be better off doing that instead of what you’ve been saying.


Nah people like you just can't comprehend an unbiased opinion and act like you're team is the only one in the league with good players lol.
Feb. 20, 2023 at 6:00 p.m.
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I mean Seider was the rookie of the year. He's very below Makar when it comes to offense but D he's in the upper crust of the league


Don't get me wrong, I rate Seider very, very highly. He's genuinely going to be a top talent in the league for years to come, but then so is Byram.
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Feb. 20, 2023 at 6:18 p.m.
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I like the Pens deal. The only issue is cap. The Pens have no space as Rutta will be off LTIR shortly. If you take Blueger back it would work. He's a UFA, so there's no commitment. Plus he's a player that DET may want to keep. He just needs a change of scenery.
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Feb. 20, 2023 at 7:40 p.m.
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Nah people like you just can't comprehend an unbiased opinion and act like you're team is the only one in the league with good players lol.

Ask any wings fan on here, I am as unbiased as it gets. Just admit you’re basing your opinions on players you’re ignorant about and have barely watched. It’s okay that you haven’t watched them much, just don’t carry such a strong opinion about them. It’s unflattering.

And just to give you perspective, I’m very well versed when it comes to the players in this league as a whole. I probably watch a solid 20-25 out of market games a week, possibly more of your favorite team than you’ve watched yourself.

Anyways, have your opinion, but don’t make an opinion without having enough knowledge, it’s okay to say, “hm, I’m not sure that x players value is this, from what I recall he’s had some injury issues”. People will respect you more. But you probably don’t care if people respect you or not. Notice the word “probably”; because I don’t know one way or the other. Words are important.
 
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