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Reality for the Pens

Created by: BluesfanBrian
Team: 2023-24 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 21, 2023
Published: Mar. 21, 2023
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The Penguins need to face reality and commit to a full rebuild. They should have done this years ago, but they need to stop making their future darker than it already is, so better late than never.

This is also all assuming players will waive their NTCs understanding that they will not have a chance for a cup in Pittsburgh.

Finally, most of the FA signings are with the expectation that they’d be moved at the deadline.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$1,100,000
8$7,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$2,000,000
2$2,000,000
2$2,500,000
1$950,000
1$1,000,000
2$2,750,000
1$775,000
1$2,500,000
Trades
1.
PIT
  1. Hayton, Barrett
  2. Ingram, Connor [RFA Rights]
  3. Lipkin, Sam [Reserve List]
  4. 2024 1st round pick (ARI)
  5. 2024 2nd round pick (MTL)
  6. 2024 2nd round pick (ARI)
  7. 2025 2nd round pick (TOR)
Additional Details:
The Pens would get a solid forward in Hayton. He’s only 22 and finally showing why he was drafted high. Ingram would be the Pens starter going forward, at 25, he can start long term or can be flipped down the line. Solid goalie with a .909 on a bad team. Finally, Lipkin is a wild card. He has shown upside, but is a project.
ARI
  1. Crosby, Sidney ($4,350,000 retained)
  2. Letang, Kris ($3,050,000 retained)
  3. 2024 6th round pick (PIT)
  4. 2025 5th round pick (PIT)
  5. 2025 6th round pick (PIT)
Additional Details:
The Coyotes are still a few years off from contending if they’re relying on their own core, Crosby would flip that team on its head and unlock Keller’s true ability. Letang would be a very solid veteran defenseman on a young blue line. This is even better considering they give up only one real piece in Hayton.
2.
PIT
  1. Ceci, Cody
  2. Holloway, Dylan
  3. 2024 1st round pick (EDM)
Additional Details:
With a rebuild, the Pens can take on guys like Ceci, and maybe flip him later. Holloway is the Oilers #2 prospect, and would be a major part of this rebuild. The 1st is for taking Ceci and upgrading him for Rutt and partially for a bonafide 30 goal scorer to run alongside McDavid.
EDM
  1. Guentzel, Jake
  2. Rutta, Jan
  3. 2024 3rd round pick (VGK)
Additional Details:
Guentzel averages a whopping 35 goals per 82 games and has hit 40 twice. If the Oilers wanna win with the core of McDavid/Draisaitl, getting a guy like Jake will help a lot. Rutta is also an upgrade over Ceci, and for a lower cap hit. Holloway is a tough pill to swallow, but you’re getting a guy who will put up 30 goals and could easily pass 40.
3.
PIT
  1. Tolvanen, Eeli
  2. 2024 1st round pick (SEA)
Additional Details:
Tolvanen is having a really nice breakout season since being traded from Nashville. Even now though, he still just gets 3rd line minutes. He’ll get top 6 time on a rebuilding Pens team.
SEA
  1. Malkin, Evgeni
Additional Details:
Malkin in bridges the gap for the Kraken as their young centers grow into their roles. He also provides another veteran presence to a young Kraken, he’s also had a lot of playoff experience. It’s also doubtful that he declines significantly at all surrounded by young talent and purpose.
4.
PIT
  1. Chiarot, Ben
  2. Zadina, Filip
  3. 2024 5th round pick (DET)
  4. 2025 4th round pick (BOS)
Additional Details:
Taking on Chiarot’s contract is a favor for a team that wants to contend. Zadina hasn’T worked in Detroit and could use a change of scenery and some more ice time.
DET
  1. DeSmith, Casey
  2. Petry, Jeff
Additional Details:
DeSmith would be a very solid backup/1B option for Husso. Petry is an upgrade over Chiarot, but the real value is in the fact his contract expires a year before Chiarot’s does.
5.
PIT
  1. Miller, K'Andre [RFA Rights]
  2. 2024 2nd round pick (NYR)
Additional Details:
Miller is immediately our #1 D and another cornerstone to the rebuild.
NYR
  1. Pettersson, Marcus
  2. 2024 1st round pick (EDM)
Additional Details:
Pettersson is a downgrade from Miller, but contending teams have cap crunches. Miller will cost more than Pettersson in the long run. They’d also turn their 2nd into a 1st.
6.
PIT
  1. Petersen, Cal
  2. 2025 3rd round pick (LAK)
  3. 2025 5th round pick (LAK)
Additional Details:
Cal Peterson will get a chance to prove that he can still be an NHL level goalie by platooning with Ingram.
LAK
  1. Carter, Jeff
Additional Details:
Carter is a Kings legend and can retire a King while providing depth.
7.
PIT
  1. Boucher, Tyler
  2. Hamara, Tomas
  3. 2024 2nd round pick (OTT)
  4. 2024 4th round pick (TBL)
  5. 2025 3rd round pick (OTT)
Additional Details:
These prospects are both mid tier but both have potential to overpreform their projections. The picks are really for the retained salary.
OTT
  1. Rakell, Rickard ($2,500,000 retained)
Additional Details:
Rakes is a bonafide 20 goal scorer and can hit 30. At a cap hit of $2.5 million, it’s a steal.
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
Buried
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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Logo of the NJD
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the FLA
Logo of the TOR
2024
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the ARI
Logo of the SEA
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the ARI
Logo of the NYR
Logo of the OTT
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the TBL
Logo of the DET
Logo of the PIT
2025
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the TOR
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the LAK
Logo of the OTT
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the BOS
Logo of the LAK
Logo of the PIT
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$83,500,000$64,479,167$0$650,000$19,020,833
Left WingCentreRight Wing
Logo of the Arizona Coyotes
$1,775,000$1,775,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$5,000,000$5,000,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$5,125,000$5,125,000
RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 5
$2,500,000$2,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$650,000$650K)
LW, C
RFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$1,100,000$1,100,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
Logo of the Seattle Kraken
$1,450,000$1,450,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
$2,000,000$2,000,000
C, RW
UFA - 3
$2,750,000$2,750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$2,500,000$2,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
$1,000,000$1,000,000
C, RW, LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$2,000,000$2,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$825,000$825,000
LD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$4,750,000$4,750,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
$7,500,000$7,500,000
LD
RFA - 2
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$800,000$800,000
RD
UFA - 1
$1,100,000$1,100,000
G
UFA - 3
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$3,250,000$3,250,000
RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$775,000$775,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Los Angeles Kings
$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$762,500$762,500
RD
UFA - 1
$775,000$775,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1

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Mar. 21, 2023 at 10:51 a.m.
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Quoting: BluesfanBrian
And what makes you think Miller isn’t gunna ask for $7+ million? You realize he’s gunna point at Nurse and Jones who both make $9+ million despite being around Miller’s level.


Well it’s possible but Buch only had this chance to make money. Miller will be a star for 12+ years. Miller likely would take a smaller bridge than 7M to win and wait till he’s 1. More valuable 2. More cap and term to get 3. Avoid moving to a rebuilding team like in this scenario 😂
Mar. 21, 2023 at 11:09 a.m.
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Quoting: BluesfanBrian
That’s why this is called “what they need to do” because what they’re gunna do is try and reload and either miss or lose in round 1.


We can start a rebuild without trading the big 3. We can trade Jake, Rakell, Pettersson, and maybe even Rust. Geno and Tanger were just resigned and they aren’t leaving unless Sid wants out. On the off chance Sid says he won’t resign and wants a trade then everyone is on the market. If that ever does happen he’s certainly not going to AZ.
Mar. 21, 2023 at 1:22 p.m.
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Quoting: edeangel84
We can start a rebuild without trading the big 3. We can trade Jake, Rakell, Pettersson, and maybe even Rust. Geno and Tanger were just resigned and they aren’t leaving unless Sid wants out. On the off chance Sid says he won’t resign and wants a trade then everyone is on the market. If that ever does happen he’s certainly not going to AZ.


This is kinda my point….you need to trade all of them. You’re not winning a cup with them.
Mar. 21, 2023 at 2:17 p.m.
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Drury sold Buchnevich for nothing so get off your high horse bud lol


yes true but you also know that any Miller deal would be better than this.
Secondly he didn't give away Buch to division rival.
Mar. 21, 2023 at 4:44 p.m.
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This is kinda my point….you need to trade all of them. You’re not winning a cup with them.


Well we don’t need to trade the second best player in franchise history unless he demands a trade. I didn’t even want to resign Malkin but Sid wanted him back so here he is. Tanger has trailed off some this year but he has stilled played some very good hockey. If we traded either of them then we are basically telling Sid to leave. We can rebuild the team without grading those 3.
Mar. 22, 2023 at 10:04 a.m.
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Well we don’t need to trade the second best player in franchise history unless he demands a trade. I didn’t even want to resign Malkin but Sid wanted him back so here he is. Tanger has trailed off some this year but he has stilled played some very good hockey. If we traded either of them then we are basically telling Sid to leave. We can rebuild the team without grading those 3.


You really can’t. Those 3 could get you legitimate value and they’re wasting time on your roster. No one should care if Sid was the 2nd best player on the team ever, because now the team needs to move forward. The fact the Pens actually resigned Malkin to cater to what Crosby wants just shows they have no interest in actually wining, but rather keeping “the ole boys club around”. Hawks traded Kane, Blues traded O’Reilly and Tarasenko, Kings traded everyone they could (Doughty is unmoveable and Kopitar was much younger when their rebuild started), the Lightning will probably trade a ton of their roster once their time as come….only dumb teams keep trying to stay competitive when there’s no chance for a cup. The Pens are gunna be the new Red Wings, and you won’t have a half decent GM to guide your rebuild.
Mar. 22, 2023 at 11:32 a.m.
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Ceci plays 1st pairing comp while Ruuta plays 3rd pairing comp. Do you understand the difference?
Mar. 22, 2023 at 5:14 p.m.
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You really can’t. Those 3 could get you legitimate value and they’re wasting time on your roster. No one should care if Sid was the 2nd best player on the team ever, because now the team needs to move forward. The fact the Pens actually resigned Malkin to cater to what Crosby wants just shows they have no interest in actually wining, but rather keeping “the ole boys club around”. Hawks traded Kane, Blues traded O’Reilly and Tarasenko, Kings traded everyone they could (Doughty is unmoveable and Kopitar was much younger when their rebuild started), the Lightning will probably trade a ton of their roster once their time as come….only dumb teams keep trying to stay competitive when there’s no chance for a cup. The Pens are gunna be the new Red Wings, and you won’t have a half decent GM to guide your rebuild.


The Red Wings didn’t have a half decent GM either until Yzerman showed up. And if Crosby was declining yes you’d be right not to cater to him. Crosby is one of the best players in the league and while I wish we would have signed Trochek instead of Geno, what team doesn’t want their best player to be happy? The only player who was traded who was still playing at a high level out of the group you named is Kane. The rest have regressed.
Mar. 23, 2023 at 7:47 p.m.
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The Red Wings didn’t have a half decent GM either until Yzerman showed up. And if Crosby was declining yes you’d be right not to cater to him. Crosby is one of the best players in the league and while I wish we would have signed Trochek instead of Geno, what team doesn’t want their best player to be happy? The only player who was traded who was still playing at a high level out of the group you named is Kane. The rest have regressed.


You’re still not grasping the fact that the Penguins are nowhere near a cup and need to rebuild. They shouldn’t give a **** what Crosby wants. Hes not winning a cup In Pittsburgh again.
Mar. 23, 2023 at 7:53 p.m.
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You’re still not grasping the fact that the Penguins are nowhere near a cup and need to rebuild. They shouldn’t give a **** what Crosby wants. Hes not winning a cup In Pittsburgh again.


I’m well aware of the fact that we are done. There’s no reason to trade our best player unless he asks for it.
Mar. 23, 2023 at 7:57 p.m.
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I’m well aware of the fact that we are done. There’s no reason to trade our best player unless he asks for it.


There is a reason: he would get you good value to begin your rebuild. You’re really dumb, arent you?
 
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