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hindsight 2020 leafs dont necessarily wish for this

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Initial Creation Date: Apr. 6, 2023
Published: Apr. 6, 2023
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Leafs could've for sure gotten Hyman a tad cheaper to offset the cap deficit.

For what it's worth, I agree with management - Hyman, especially in the long term, is a tough one to afford at that deal (looks good now but I still think it'll be terrible in a couple years - worthy price to pay arguably but couldn't have worked with our cap structure). And Andersen had run his course in Toronto. Just interesting to see how gross this team is.

Hyman is on 3rd line to go 3 lines deep and have a real gritty hard nosed but dangerous 3rd line.
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      Apr. 6, 2023 at 1:25 p.m.
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      Hyman is the definition of a McDavid/Draisaitl merchant, if he isn't going to play with Matthews/JT, he's good, but isn't going to put up half of the numbers he is now (I know this is negative but I still love Hyman and miss him bc he goes into corners)
      Apr. 6, 2023 at 1:46 p.m.
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      Quoting: Leafsfan98
      Hyman is the definition of a McDavid/Draisaitl merchant, if he isn't going to play with Matthews/JT, he's good, but isn't going to put up half of the numbers he is now (I know this is negative but I still love Hyman and miss him bc he goes into corners)


      He's chris kunitz, which is a fine thing to be.
      Apr. 6, 2023 at 1:50 p.m.
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      Should have gave Seattle kerfoot not mccann
      Apr. 6, 2023 at 1:51 p.m.
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      Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
      He's chris kunitz, which is a fine thing to be.


      Of course, if you were to tell me tomorrow that I'd be making 5.5 for the next 6 while playing in the NHL, I would 10/10 take that! Though, as much as I miss Hyman, I don't miss that contract
      Apr. 6, 2023 at 1:51 p.m.
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      Quoting: Leafsfan98
      Hyman is the definition of a McDavid/Draisaitl merchant, if he isn't going to play with Matthews/JT, he's good, but isn't going to put up half of the numbers he is now (I know this is negative but I still love Hyman and miss him bc he goes into corners)


      Again I don't disagree with the decision - and he would still be putting up big numbers here, but more a ~65 point player here.
      Apr. 6, 2023 at 1:53 p.m.
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      Quoting: nathanallan
      Should have gave Seattle kerfoot not mccann


      trying not to go crazy nitpick here, like yes that would've been great (A) it would've been Holl going not Kerfoot and (B) it was actually a decent strategy, we kept both roster pieces and only gave up Hallander.

      But yea, you prob keep McCann in full on hindsight. Maybe even over Hyman given age and etc.
      Apr. 6, 2023 at 1:56 p.m.
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      Again I don't disagree with the decision - and he would still be putting up big numbers here, but more a ~65 point player here.


      He would put up Alex Kerfoot+10 points IMO. They play too similar
      Apr. 6, 2023 at 1:59 p.m.
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      Quoting: Leafsfan98
      He would put up Alex Kerfoot+10 points IMO. They play too similar


      he was always far more utilized and better than Kerfoot, that's a fairly poor comparison imo. Even in his last few years with Toronto he was good for (on pace w COVID) 55+ points, 25+ goals. Was much more of an in tight finisher than Kerfoot, more physical, and not as fast - I see what you mean as they're both very much defensively sound swiss army knives, but they didn't play the same game at all
      Apr. 6, 2023 at 2:05 p.m.
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      he was always far more utilized and better than Kerfoot, that's a fairly poor comparison imo. Even in his last few years with Toronto he was good for (on pace w COVID) 55+ points, 25+ goals. Was much more of an in tight finisher than Kerfoot, more physical, and not as fast - I see what you mean as they're both very much defensively sound swiss army knives, but they didn't play the same game at all


      From what I've seen, they both play that 'run and gun' style. The thing is though, the north division was so much weaker than the east now that I don't think he puts up as many points IMO
      Apr. 6, 2023 at 3:47 p.m.
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      Quoting: Leafsfan98
      From what I've seen, they both play that 'run and gun' style. The thing is though, the north division was so much weaker than the east now that I don't think he puts up as many points IMO


      All fair points. But I would like to point out that Hyman was on pace for 62 points his final year in Toronto, nearly on pace for 60 last year and 80+ points this year. Kerfoot is on pace for 34 points this year. I think Hyman would have had better minutes and linemates then Kerfoot if he stayed in Toronto but either way I think he is a littler more valuable then Kerfoot +10 points.
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      Apr. 7, 2023 at 7:22 a.m.
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      All fair points. But I would like to point out that Hyman was on pace for 62 points his final year in Toronto, nearly on pace for 60 last year and 80+ points this year. Kerfoot is on pace for 34 points this year. I think Hyman would have had better minutes and linemates then Kerfoot if he stayed in Toronto but either way I think he is a littler more valuable then Kerfoot +10 points.


      My point is that the East is tougher now than it was in the north division... If Hyman would have been on the 3rd line, he'd give you similar to Kerfoot (give or take 10-15 points) but if he's on the 1st line with Matthews and 1st PP, he'd get 60+ points
      Apr. 7, 2023 at 6:14 p.m.
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      Quoting: Leafsfan98
      My point is that the East is tougher now than it was in the north division... If Hyman would have been on the 3rd line, he'd give you similar to Kerfoot (give or take 10-15 points) but if he's on the 1st line with Matthews and 1st PP, he'd get 60+ points


      Realistically he would be playing above Bunting so he probably would get top 6 minutes playing with Mathew’s, Marner, etc..
      Apr. 7, 2023 at 8:15 p.m.
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      Realistically he would be playing above Bunting so he probably would get top 6 minutes playing with Mathew’s, Marner, etc..


      Ok, then your point is fair
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      Apr. 7, 2023 at 8:54 p.m.
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      Of course, if you were to tell me tomorrow that I'd be making 5.5 for the next 6 while playing in the NHL, I would 10/10 take that! Though, as much as I miss Hyman, I don't miss that contract


      He has more points than Matthews at less than half the cost. It's one of the best contracts in the entire league!
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      Apr. 8, 2023 at 10:50 a.m.
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      He has more points than Matthews at less than half the cost. It's one of the best contracts in the entire league!


      Matthews has also played 5 less games and has more even strength points... while not playing with Connor Mcdavid and being the player for his team
      Apr. 8, 2023 at 11:10 a.m.
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      Matthews has also played 5 less games and has more even strength points... while not playing with Connor Mcdavid and being the player for his team

      Marner is the player on the Leafs. And anyways, nothing you said changes the fact that Hyman has one of the very best contracts.
      Apr. 8, 2023 at 12:37 p.m.
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      Marner is the player on the Leafs. And anyways, nothing you said changes the fact that Hyman has one of the very best contracts.


      Marner is nowhere near Matthews and that'd a fact... there's reason why Matthews got more money than Marner and a reason why Matthews has won the hart whereas Marner has not...

      Hyman's contract is not as good as:
      - Draisaitl contract
      - Zibby contract
      - Aho contract
      - Tage contract
      - Robertson contract
      - Mackinnon's current contract
      - Makar's contract
      - Bergeron's contract
      - Marchand's contract
      - Terry contract
      - Hughes contract
      - Petey contract
      - Slavin contract
      and more that I don't have the time to mention and this isn't including Leafs' players. In reality, Hyman is a McDavid/Draisaitl/PP merchant, just like RNH, just like Kane
      Apr. 10, 2023 at 11:28 a.m.
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      and more that I don't have the time to mention and this isn't including Leafs' players. In reality, Hyman is a McDavid/Draisaitl/PP merchant, just like RNH, just like Kane

      You should spend more time watching the Oilers, because you clearly don't know what you're taking about.
      Apr. 10, 2023 at 2:49 p.m.
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      Quoting: CD282
      You should spend more time watching the Oilers, because you clearly don't know what you're taking about.


      I don't think you realized that I have watched Zach Hyman for years (about 6-7 to be exact). With the Nuge, he didn't do anything when he was the guy, but now that he's playing with significantly better players than him, he's somehow a 100 point guy? I have friends and family that are Oilers fans and they have said the exact same thing BTW
      Apr. 10, 2023 at 3:08 p.m.
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      I don't think you realized that I have watched Zach Hyman for years (about 6-7 to be exact). With the Nuge, he didn't do anything when he was the guy, but now that he's playing with significantly better players than him, he's somehow a 100 point guy? I have friends and family that are Oilers fans and they have said the exact same thing BTW

      Nuge has always been a PP witch. Even before Draisaitl and McDavid arrived.
      Apr. 10, 2023 at 3:34 p.m.
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      Nuge has always been a PP witch. Even before Draisaitl and McDavid arrived.


      But he didn't eclipse 70 points until this season though and that's while playing with Taylor Hall
      Apr. 10, 2023 at 3:57 p.m.
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      But he didn't eclipse 70 points until this season though and that's while playing with Taylor Hall

      He's playing a different game now. Did you think this was the first time he's played with McDavid or Draisaitl? Because it isn't.
      Apr. 10, 2023 at 4:05 p.m.
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      He's playing a different game now. Did you think this was the first time he's played with McDavid or Draisaitl? Because it isn't.


      But it is the first time Edmonton less the league in Power plays per game by a significant margin (enter inflated stats), if I had that many chances to sit in front of the net with Hyman and bang in McDavid and Draisaitl's trash, I'd have a decent amount of point too
      Apr. 10, 2023 at 4:09 p.m.
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      But it is the first time Edmonton less the league in Power plays per game by a significant margin (enter inflated stats), if I had that many chances to sit in front of the net with Hyman and bang in McDavid and Draisaitl's trash, I'd have a decent amount of point too

      Hyman is very good at it. Not many players could do better.
      Apr. 10, 2023 at 4:11 p.m.
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      Quoting: CD282
      Hyman is very good at it. Not many players could do better.


      Bunting, Tavares, ROR, Perry, Paul, Tkachuks, Marchand, Hall, Foligno, etc. and that's only in the Atlantic division whose job is to do that better than Hyman
       
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