You're having a laugh right?

This is hilarious under valued.

I dont think any team would give more than that to get one year of Matthews at 11.6M$. He's a good player in seasok but he's completely useless in the playoffs.

Any team would easily offer far more than this offer for Matthews. Just because he hasn't had a great season, he's a top 15 player in the league.

Your value here is like barely worth a 1st line forward. We're talking about a franchise altering player...

He's a top15 player in the league in regular season but he's a useless player in the playoffs. He proved that many times. He's soft and not willing to sacrifce anything to win, he's never gonna win.

I think the trade I built is the absolute best case scenario for the Leafs. Otherwise he's just going to walk away in one year.

He's not walking from Arizona. He'll walk from anywhere TO Arizona.

Also take him out of a heavy media city. I'm sure he'll do fine.
His value is easily 2-3x what you've put. Even as a rental..

Well your first sentence explain why he has little value to any other team.

Why would anyone want to pay more than that for a rental who can't perform in the playoffs. That's pretty much the point of trading for a rental.

You're saying he wont preform. But take him OUT of Toronto, I am sure he'll be fine.

He won't. He never did. He's never going to be a core player of a winning team. He has some value because he sells jersey and is a high profile player, but I most team are trying to win and make deep playoffs run. Nobody is giving much value for a guy who never showed up in the playoffs, seems to have 0 leadership, is soft, and is going to want to be the highest paid player in the league.

Okay when are you writing your book on NHL athletes? Since you seem to be quite enlightened on this subject, with your insight on a player that has never played outside of the BIGGEST media market in the NHL.

He played for 7 years and never showed up on a "must-win" game and never looked like a real top player in the playoffs. When are you writing your book on NHL athletes? Since you seem to be quite enlightened on this subject, with your insight on a player who's a top-10 player in the league during regular season, but can't perform in the playoffs somehow because of the market he plays in.

Considering Arizona's 2022 2nd is basically a late 1st, this isn't as crazy as it seems if Toronto views Geekie as a top 10 talent like Arizona almost certainly did when they moved up to take him at 11.

Pending UFAs never get full value. That's the reality of trading them. A top 10 talent, and two possible first round talents is a massive haul for a pending UFA who has a NMC. His NMC does not kick in until July 1st, but it still will shape the market for him because if he says he only wants to go to Arizona, or that he doesn't want to sign anywhere until testing the market next year, teams aren't going to shell out huge assets for him.

The Karlsson trade is probably the closest comparable out there in terms of this level of star getting traded as a UFA. Karlsson didn't have a NMC, although the clock was ticking for Ottawa to make a deal due to how acrimonious the situation was. At the time of the Karlsson trade, Norris was comparable to Lamoureux. Dorion has gone on record that he projected Norris as a 3rd line C who might top out as a middle 6 type guy. He wasn't expected to be a star. The 1st round pick was projected as a late 1st and wasn't even available to the Senators for an additional year. Then they got a 2nd. Balcers and Demelo had little or no value. Tierney was a solid young top 9 forward at the time.

The above package as it stands today is better than the Karlsson package as it stood when Karlsson was traded. There was a lot of fluff in the Karlsson package, but really it was four pieces that had any value Norris, Tierney, 1st, 2nd.

That.

Plus the fact that he never performed like a top player in the playoffs. It would definitely lower his value as a rental.

That's overblown. Nobody will care about that. You could have made the same argument about Matthew Tkachuk last year when he was traded.

If he is available, he will garner a lot of interest, but the package the Leafs get will not be what people think they should get because of his contract status and NMC. That's basically it. The proposed package in this thread includes a top 10 talent, and multiple 1st round picks worth of value, with no cap having to go back to Toronto, which adds additional value for them. Yet, people react like it's some absurd package.

Matthews is very unlikely to get full value in a futures based package. Which we both agree on. It just doesn't work that way in the NHL.

I don't think it is overblown and I don't see any comparison to Tkachuk. He was pretty good in last years playoffs and I don't really remember his past playoffs, but Tkachuk brings much more than just goals and points to a hockey game. He can influence the game in many ways.

Matthews has been underwhelming for the 7th season in a row on the playoffs. He still has decent career stats in the playoffs but he never showed up in a "must-win" game, he's way too soft, he doesn't seems to be a leader, and when it matters the most he can't be at his best.

Yes the contract situation might impact his value more, but his playoffs performance and his (apparent) lack of character in those games won't help TO get full value either.

Even if a team is confident they can sign him long term, do you really want this guy at 13/14/15M$ a year on your roster for 7/8 years? He has shown nothing in term of leadership/character that would entice teams to try and build a winning team around him.